Cossomby
You confuse the issue.
I am talking about the nett loss section of the population.
When I was a kid the worse thing in a fight between consenting adults was a "King Hit"
These people have brought with them knifes and guns, machetes and baseball bats.
They have brought their home grown radical violence with them. Forget their religions
just remember their violent natures.
Cut them off from welfare and let them starve.

Cut them off from welfare and let them starve? As if they are going to lie around starving to death. Cut them off from welfare and you just encourage more crime. Anyway, successful criminals don't need to waste time on a bit of welfare fiddling: peddling drugs, guns, etc. is much more profitable.
Two issues here.
1. There always has and will be a criminal element among both migrants and long settled Australians. Fraser has recently been blamed for Lebanese gangs; which PM shall we blame for the Italian criminals? Oh, Menzies - he let all those Italians in in the 1950s. What about the Irish gangs in the 19C - who let those Irish in (I bet most people posting here have some immigrant Irish ancestry)? In that case we exported some of them to the USA (google Sydney Ducks). Don't forget the first bunch, on the convict ships. In spite of this, immigration has built Australia because criminals and gangs were always a minor part.
2. We should remember what we learnt from that historic experience. First, scorn, hatred, marginalisation of each generation of migrants aggravates the problem. Faced with this, some migrants learn very quickly 'up yours!' and think well, if we can't join them, beat 'em. Second, and more important, we learnt very early, with the convicts, that criminals and their families don't inevitably remain criminals. Against all 19C beliefs that criminality was fixed and genetic, marked in the shape of your skull, we proved in Australia that is not the case, as the majority of convicts and their descendants became good citizens.
So we need to change the way we treat migrants. Give them education and training, make them feel they are welcome and valued, set up work programs if necessary (like the Snowy Scheme) - plenty of things we know from the past that work.
But don't make them starve and so turn to more crime. And stop demonising them. If you are a new arrival, keen to improve your life, but all you get is insults and scorn, what might you do?

Cossomby,

Yes. The majority might well agree with you, and that's democracy. But wouldn't you prefer to know what the majority thought, rather than leave everything to self-serving politicians who keep themselves aloof from the rest of us. And, surely you don't believe that our politicians are not beyond corruption because they speak English and look like us?

Immigrants are not doing anything that has not already been done by Australians.

Toni Lavis,

Sorry, but you are wrong again. If you knew anything about our language, you would know the colon after 'globalism' includes the following words. The 'was' refers to the singular word 'globalism. I majored in English, and was a dab hand at Latin, so don't try to teach me to suck eggs, sonny; it reveals you as goose. As far as non-English speaking foreigners go, you have clearly not had to read their written efforts, or even had to listen to them on the 'phone, doing a job no intelligent Australian wants to do. But, of course, that will not stop your self-loathing, anti-Australian rants.

For your "entire life"? And how many years is that, Toni? The GDR also claimed to be a democracy before the wall came down and it ceased to exist. You are obviously too disinterested in, or unable to, notice what has been happening to what was once our democracy, as our career politicians and the High Court have gradually undermined the relationship that once existed between the Australian people and their elected servants. We have a duoploly of self-serving careerists, with no idea of real life outside Canberra, told what to do by faceless power brokers and activist judges. Once elected, they do pretty much what they like, unfettered by accountability. All we can do is replace them with similar people every 3 or 4 years. You cannot seriously call that democracy.

"When I was a kid the worse thing in a fight between consenting adults was a "King Hit". These people have brought with them knifes and guns, machetes and baseball bats."

Chris, you clearly don’t know much about Australian criminal history! A quick newspaper search (pre-1960) on Sydney criminal gangs got over 30,000 hits. Here’s a 1946 example:

“Truth told last Sunday how three gunmen and two baccarat operators had been forced by police to abandon their illegal gambling activities in Melbourne, and how they had come to Sydney, to start a big game in premises in Bourke St. It is notorious that for years baccarat operators in Sydney have been able to carry on virtually un hampered. Not only have the scum controlling baccarat, and their hirelings — thugs, gunmen, stand -over men, and thieves — become affluent at the expense of the suckers, but the game has been responsible for murder. George ('Geordie') Morris was found dead in. his motor car in Hickson Rd., Millers Point in March, 1944. His body was riddled with 12 bullets. Miles ('The Face') McKeown also was found dead in his motor car on April 29, 1946. The car was in Rose St., Chippendale. McKeown had a bullet wound in the head. 'Muscling In' Thomas William ('Irish') Flaherty, Melbourne baccarat mobster and thief, was found dead in a vacant allotment in 1 Goulburn St., City, on August 1, 1946. Now, indications are that fugitives from Victoria are to muscle in on the lucrative Sydney racket. Violence and underworld vendettas are bound to follow. What happened in Melbourne must not be allowed to happen here. In Melbourne, the baccarat evil has bred violent feuds, shootings and murder.

I chose this one because of the fear of migrants - from Melbourne!

Now I'm not intending to downplay the seriousness of current crime, and the international aspects. I just don't think we should be demonising all migrants, or specific groups of migrants, on the grounds that this is somehow different from the past

Dear Shadow Minister,

Firstly Sidney was offering characterisations or observations rather than attempting dictionary definitions.

Further I always find it troubling that people go 'dictionary shopping' to make their argument. You went to Oxford for your patriot definition and Websters for nationalist.

Of course there are similarities between the two but they can not be conflated.

As expected they do share synonyms. Patriotism, according to Oxford, has two main branches headed by 'nationalism' and 'chauvinism'.
http://en.oxforddictionaries.com/thesaurus/patriotism

Nationalism on the other hand has three; 'patriotism', 'xenophobia', and most telling 'ethnocentrism'.
http://en.oxforddictionaries.com/thesaurus/nationalism

A stark point of difference one would have thought.

Cossomby,
The difference is that from the 1980's crime began to fall in Australia, then in the late 1990's it began to plummet, we thought the bad old days were behind us.
The new crime wave is all driven by immigrants and their children, the Chinese and Vietnamese are importing and manufacturing nearly all of the illegal drugs, the African gangs are controlled by Arab drug dealers and fences and paid in those drugs to steal cars and other valuables.
It's perfectly logical to blame the government and middle classes for their failures, of which the immigration programme is the most glaring example: people like you simply exchange the word immigration for the word immigrants, to make dissenters seem like "racists".