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US Border Wall with Mexico

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So you knew him well poor Pasquale.
It all sounds a bit Shakespearage.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 10:17:28 PM
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I don't know anything about that BAZZ - but I can tell you as far as thugs and standover men were concerned he was right up with the best of 'em!
Posted by o sung wu, Wednesday, 16 November 2016 12:18:11 PM
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Some overlooked facts about "the wall".

Regardless of the cost of building such a structure (whatever form it may take), the cost of patrolling the length of the wall will be considerable and ongoing.

Regardless of the wall about 40% of illegal immigrants from Mexico don't come over that border - they fly in with all the paperwork and overstay their Visas.

The wall will actually increase the number of illegal immigrants in the US. For decades, most have come into the USA to save some money and then return to Mexico, in the knowledge that they may be able to return someday if necessary - a "circular immigration route". If the border is sealed off completely those still in the USA are more likely to stay, regardless of the improving Mexican economy.

Their history of immigrant deportations are another story with a terrible history of failure with over 20,000 US citizens wrongfully deported and already with a backlog of tens of thousands still waiting to be processed.
Ironically, Obama deported more people than Bush.

It's also interesting that the Trump Signature collection of clothing is made in Mexico and the Ivanka Trump style of Marc Fisher footwear is made in China.

Politics has always been about perception and not fact and never more so than now.
Posted by rache, Thursday, 17 November 2016 9:41:55 AM
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Given the length of the border a wall or fences can only reduce the illegal immigration. The most important factor is to take the sugar off the table by:

1 Making it illegal to hire or let accommodation to illegals and enforcing it with large fines,
2 Give a bounty for turning in illegals
3 Deporting the illegals quickly
4 Banning deportees from ever entering the country again.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 17 November 2016 11:27:07 AM
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Some immigration from Mexico has been at the request of the US government and not all Mexicans are a massive horde of rapists and murderers.

America has a history of several mass deportations of Mexicans.

Mexicans were actually invited en-masse into the USA during WW1 to help with labor shortages but there was a mass deportation in the 1930s.

Again, under the Bracero programme farm labor was imported from Mexico during WW2 to help grow crops and despite requests from rural landholders to keep them there afterwards, they were deported under "Operation Wetback" in 1954, although some were subsequently reprocessed as legals.

We rely on cheap backpacker labor to pick our fruit in the same way.

There has been a lot of negotiation between Mexico and the USA since.

The idea for a wall and stronger Border Patrols actually began under the Clinton administration and that slowed down the circular migration process.

Talks to formalise the process were started under Bush but they were never resolved.

It will be interesting to see how this impacts on the daily lives of Americans when sources of cheap disposable labor dry up.

Are they really taking jobs away from citizens or being exploited to do the work the Americans refuse to do themselves?

Perhaps the wall should stretch around the whole country, just to be sure? Then they can get back to blaming each other for everything they don't like.
Posted by rache, Thursday, 17 November 2016 2:40:13 PM
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There was some time already and where is that wall? No words about that...
Posted by OMurphy86, Thursday, 1 December 2016 8:12:32 PM
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