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Who should be more afraid of the Trump win, Labour or Liberal?
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Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 9 November 2016 11:19:49 PM
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Hi Steele,
From an Australian Government perspective, Clinton would have been preferable as she seemed to be far more amenable, and more likely to maintain the status quo than Trump. The new fearless leader claims to be an isolationist both on economic and military matters. The Donald will come under immense pressure from both the American military-industrial complex and international capitalism should he attempt to implement policies which are counter productive to their existing vested interests. It was pathetic to see both Bishop and Turnbull doing a "Yoho...Donald...don't forget us little people, we are your friends too...kissy kissy! Should see some major sucking up from both of them shortly. Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 10 November 2016 8:34:32 AM
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Dear Paul1405,
Come on mate, surely there is part of you who is a little bit excited about the breaking of the hold the media and Wall Street had over US politics. If isolationist means looking after your own citizens rather than the profits of the multi-corporations then bring it on. I'm not as naive to think Trump means half of what he says but hell, he has ripped the scab off the cesspit of money driven politics and hopefully it will be pretty hard to put that genie back in the bottle for a very long time. The Robs Sinodinos's and the Brandis's should hopefully be feeling a little less comfortable right now. Of course the Bolts of this world will be madly spinning it into a vote against political correctness or some such guff but it won't stick. The ordinary Joe Blow has spoken and good on em I say. Let's hope we have people here who are prepared to listen. Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 10 November 2016 8:53:29 AM
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Hi Steele.
I understand what you are saying, and agree, as does Pauline Hanson, gee us two agreeing with the lovely Pauline, amazing. I am some what skeptical about claims of the people have spoken, and democracy is the winner, the people are back in control once more, were they ever in control? A lot of what Trump was saying was for mass consumption, and it may be a different story when the real game is played out. Interesting times are ahead. They wont care if Trump kicks some minorities butt Mexicans, Muslims Afro's. They will let him do that, but interfere with big business, now that would not be tolerated. Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 10 November 2016 10:15:40 AM
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Steely, talk about only seeing what you want to see.
You started out OK, but can't actually admit the truth even to yourself. Agreed, TPP & 457 are a bad mistake, but Labor are as strong on TPP as anyone. On migration, Labor is much worse than the libs, who got the boats to their peak, but the greens are totally ridiculous. The car industry, come on mate. Just like the UK it was union action, forcing ridiculous wages for unskilled process workers that wrecked that industry. Tony had the guts to say no more taxpayer rip off, thank god. Jobs for the boys. If you scratch any quango it runs pink blood. The left is the champion of useless jobs for academics & hangers on. Gillian Triggs any one? I agree the US needed a circuit breaker to clean out Democrat corruption, headed by Hillary & Obama, but I doubt Trump will do much better than Tony was doing. Hope I'm wrong there, & hope it helps us get rid of the semi left twit we have in the lodge. I think the left & crooks were the big losers, & Labor should be the most frightened. A quick look at Qld's Labor lot should really frighten the horses. Unless we get our own big mouthed knight on a white charger arise, come on back Tony, the left have their tails between their legs, time to cut them down to size. Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 10 November 2016 10:33:17 AM
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Dear Hasbeen,
I've actually rewritten my reply to you. As much as I do enjoy exchanging broadsides I feel it is worth keeping the gunports lowered for a bit to tease this out. Of course we are going to have different takes on what happened but in some ways our world views have a few things in common. My first observation is your comment about the car industry could just as well have been made by an American car executive. Let's leave aside the fact the German auto workers are paid 50% more than their Yank counterparts yet manage to produce twice the amount of cars. Ultimately it was the non-university educated white voters in the rust belt states who have been most hit by globalisation and free trade that ended up delivering a Trump victory. Keep in mind that for the most part Trump didn't get many more votes than Romney it is just where he got them that was important. The closure of plants in SA, NSW and Victoria are already creating areas that resemble rust belt cities in the US and it is going to get a whole lot worse. The same demographic isn't suddenly going to find employment in IT despite Malcolm's enthusiasm, especially when base level jobs in that sector are so easily exported. Just look at Telstra call centers. Now to elitism and jobs for the boys. I'm afraid painting either party as worse than the other just isn't going to wash. There was nothing more elitist than Abbott awarding an Australian Knighthood to Prince Phillip full stop. It rightly got him into a world of trouble though he never really understood why. And look at Brandis' efforts before the last election. Let's just take a single example, his appointments to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal which were made on the last working day before the election was announced. These roles paid up to $300,000 per year and ranged from 5 to 7 years. Cont.. Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 10 November 2016 11:47:53 AM
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There was Theo Tavoularis who represented Brandis' son in a court matter in 2013. He was a substantial Liberal Party donor. Brandis has refused to disclose if he had received discounted fees. Then there was Anne Brandon-Baker who was former chief of staff to Scott Morrison. Appointed for 5 years. Next is was Dr Denis Dragovic, failed Liberal Senate candidate for Victoria. Appointed for 7 years. So did John Sosso, another Queensland lawyer and former departmental head under Cambell Newman. So did Tim Wilson's former senior advisor Louise Bygrave who is in for 7 years. So did Michael Manetta, failed liberal candidate in the SA 2015 election. So did Saxon Rice, former LNP MP in queensland who lost her seat in the QLD 2015 election. So did former Liberal candidate Peter Vlahos. So did Judith Troeth who is a former Liberal Senator. So did another lawyer Justin Myer who was advisor to two Liberal premiers in Victoria and who donated over $11,000 to the party. So did former ACT Liberal leader Bill Stefaniak. So did Dr Bennie Ng who served as the head of social policy in Abbott's office. So did Anne-Marie Elias, who was a former senior policy adviser to NSW minister Andrew Constance and self described as 'chief disrupter' within the NSW government. Brandis had already started stacking the tribunial in 2015. He appointed Helena Claringbold who was a former staffer to Abbott and who donated $45,000 to the party. And Nick McGowen another failed Liberal candidate. Plus David McCulloch a former staffer to Amanda Vanstone. And Michael Cooke who was an advisor to Tony Abbott. And Karen Synon, a former Liberal Party Senator. And Bruce MacCarthy, who was a NSW Liberal MP. And lastly Gary Humphries, one of Brandis' former colleagues in the Senate who got the job of deputy head of the tribunal for 4 years at $450,000 per year. This is just so out of control and totally inexcusable and I'm wagering it would be difficult for even the most hardened Liberal supporter to condone. Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 10 November 2016 11:49:00 AM
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Arguably the Liberal National coalition should be more afraid. In the past couple of decades in Australia the coalition has gained power due to the votes of the working poor. Seduced first by John Howard and to a lesser extent by Tony Abbott with their isolationist undertones and nods to racism.
While Labour has an increasing problem holding its latte-sipping party base from the Greens, the populist rhetoric of a Donald Trump will appeal to the working class followers of the Coalition. This can already be seen with the support for populists like Pauline Hanson, Nick Xenephon, Bob Katter and Derryn Hinch. I forgot OLO's own David Leyonhjelm in that list. They are appealing to the very group that has kept the Coalition in power for much of the past 2 decades. As Australia has a very different electoral process to the US, it is exceedingly unlikely that a Donald Trump could take over an existing party, what will happen instead is that they will draw votes from the Coalition and make it increasingly difficult for them to govern. Most likely there will be a whole succession of such people - like Clive Palmer - because they are at heart narcissists who get bored easily. Posted by Agronomist, Thursday, 10 November 2016 1:21:00 PM
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Unfortunately Australia and America have a corrupt elite running the country.
The Republican Establishment fought hard to keep their cosy corrupt hold on power. In Australia.The Liberal and Labor establishment both violently attack One Nation.They all want a life long well paid job that requires very little effort. From rich boys school to University.To Cosy job in Union or stockbrokers or the Legal "trade".Next as soon as they can they use their contacts to get a blue ribbon seat. Trump is completely different. He worked in the family business and had to deal with the toughest people in America.The mafia controlled Construction unionists. The Greens have also been infiltrated by a"establishment" mindset. Di Natale thinks nothing of employing people on slave wages. Posted by BROCK, Sunday, 13 November 2016 9:14:35 AM
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Nobody need be afraid of the Trump victory. I have been splitting my sides at the sight and sound of Turnbull and other bedwetters 'assuring' us that everything will be fine: we have always had a strong relationship with America. We know that, you quivering idiots. The Left is pooping its pants because they know their evil game is up. We have seen the last of the crooked Clintons and the experiment with a Leftist black president. America can now get back on track, and with a decent leader we will be able to stay with them; all we need to do is get rid of the Lefty wimp, Turnbull.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 13 November 2016 9:21:25 AM
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"There was nothing more elitist than Abbott awarding an Australian Knighthood to Prince Phillip full stop."
- Gillard giving the Clinton Foundation $75million is kind of up-there. Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 13 November 2016 9:35:48 AM
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Given that the LNP has "donated" some $8.8 Million to the Clinton Foundation in the past 8 years, I'd say they would be the most worried of the 2 parties mentioned.
Posted by Albie Manton in Darwin, Sunday, 13 November 2016 7:40:09 PM
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Somehow I don't think Turnbull is getting the message.
"Malcolm Turnbull calls Bill Shorten a greater threat to world trade than Donald Trump" http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/malcolm-turnbull-calls-bill-shorten-a-greater-threat-to-world-trade-than-donald-trump/news-story/15037b357f24b46f37086ff7ccea8979?nk=84689291bc31d19fa20ee2e5a6a8fcb7-1479527480 Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 19 November 2016 1:54:55 PM
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Do you think that Trump will help Europe during the war?
Posted by fiko98, Friday, 25 November 2016 9:47:40 PM
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As the party who has championed the TTP, seen over 1,000,000 Australian jobs being taken by 457 visa holders, pulled the rug out from under the car industry, lifted migration levels to unprecedented levels, engaged in 'jobs for the boys' to an even greater extent I wager the LNP would be feeling the most threatened if this groundswell reached higher than Pauline.
In a very real sense Trump has done an Abbott. He worked negativity into a winning strategy. The only saving grace we had was the ability to force Abbott out of the leadership after a couple of years. The Yanks are stuck with Trump for four but he has broken a deadlock in the US federal politics which had paralyised the country. I can't see him being elected a second term but who knows.
We indeed live in interesting times.