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The very fact that the push is bi-partisan, in itself is very suspicious.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 5 November 2016 9:44:39 AM
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If you look at New Matilda, June13, 2015, you will find a piece titled; ' A 7th State: Michael Mansell On Another Way Forward For First Nations Self-Rule'.

They are comparing themselves (3% of the population of one country) with '80 new countries' that have 'become free to to rule themselves' since the UN came into being. A map of land under Aboriginal title is shown. Keith Windschuttle says that 851, 654 sq. Kms. (larger than NSW) is already under Native Title, with another 1,488,337 sq. kms.under consideration.

Mansell's 7th State would be autonomous, be 'free to send delegations to various international forums, have its own flag and anthem, and even negotiate for full recognition of Aboriginal passports and an Aboriginal Olympic team.'

The state could be legislated for by the Commonwealth, and would not require a referendum.

If you look at 9. 'The Question of sovereignty' from the 2012 report of the 'Expert Panel' to the Gillard government, you will find that 18 pages are devoted to the subject.

88% of Aboriginal and Torres Islanders rated sovereignty as the most important issue. It is an issue that has been pursued since the 1970s.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 5 November 2016 10:21:17 AM
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Beware of the boulder rolling our way from out in left field - Treaty. There's a head of steam being built up by racist activists up to press for a treaty. A treaty would mean areas marked out as sovereign Aboriginal land. Any person not Aboriginal would need its administration's permission to enter it. The corollary has been overlooked by those pressing for a treaty: there would also for reciprocal justice need to be treaty-defined land (where? the rest of Australia?)for non-Aborigines, which Aborigines couldn't enter without permission. Think of the implications of THAT!
Posted by EmperorJulian, Monday, 7 November 2016 12:55:33 PM
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Emperor Julian,

The treaty idea is one held dear by Warren Mundine. He believes that all clan and language groups should be given territory, and the government should enter into agreements (treaties) with EACH of them separately. Michael Mansell plumps for a 7th. black state stretching from Gippsland to the Kimberly; and Noel Pearson is going for "several" black states. All this is possible if Australian voters allow even the simplest of 'recognition' phrases into the Constitution - thanks to the notoriously activist High Court, which will come up with all sorts of imaginative interpretations of the words. 3% of the population could end up owning 60% of Australia, which would preclude the 97% from entry without permission. The 'nice' do-gooders likely to vote for recognition are blissfully unaware of that. Whatever questions the Council recommend, they will be innocently worded to hide their true purpose. Our dopey politicians will either be unable to understand that, or they will collude in the deceit.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 7 November 2016 1:15:30 PM
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No one seems to realise if this sovereign and treaty idea gets off the
ground that it will be necessary for anyone claiming to aboriginal will
have to undergo DNA testing. If that is not done and a percentage
established, then in a generation or two almost everyone will be able
to claim both aboriginality and to be of British Royal decent.
Looked at from today towards the next hundred years or so the whole
idea becomes ridiculous.

In 300 years or so the aboriginal DNA will be so widespread that it
will be meaningless. Equally Scandinavian and Celtic DNA will be
equally meaningless. In a thousand years it will be at the level of Neandethal DNA.

It seems that race based constitutional changes are meaningless.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 8 November 2016 10:54:13 AM
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