Pauline Hanson wound back the clock 20 years in delivering her maiden speech to the Senate on Wednesday. Only this time it was not Asians getting a tongue lashing, it was the Muslims turn. According to Hanson “We (Australia) are in danger of being swamped by Muslims,” Something the facts do not support. Australia’s Muslim population is around 2.5% of the total. Hanson would have been more accurate if she said we were in danger of being swamped by Christians, about 60% of people claim to be Christian.
I support free speech, and Hanson can stand up in parliament and say whatever she likes, with total impunity, but when she has to resort to exaggerations and outright lies to make her point, it is a sad day as it demonstrates she is more concerned with stirring up division and hated in our society than promoting harmony and understanding.
Unfortunate Hanson’s whole speech was peppered with untruths and exaggerations. The Greens Senators were right in walking out on her, rather than listen to her ranting.

"The Greens Senators were right in walking out on her, rather than listen to her"

Defending the indefensible. The electorate deserves better than that.

The boorish Greens walked off the job and their pays and days of service for their entitlements eg., travel allowance, should be docked accordingly.

As well, Parliamentarians are elected and paid to represent everyone, not just the smug, self-entitled middle-class urban clique that swing Greens 'policies' (such as they are!).

Paul,

You say you support free speech, "but..". You either do support free speech, no matter how odious you believe it is, or you do not support free speech. I accept that you do not like some of the things she said, and that is your right. I don't like some of things you say (and vice versa, I'm sure) but I accept your right to say whatever you want. There is no such thing as 'half-pregnant' as they say. Your are pregnant or you are not. You sincerely believe in free speech or you do not.

I don't believe in everthing PH says. And I think that she should have spoken against/about Islam itself, not individual Muslims. I think she is now rather embarrassed about her 20 year old Asian 'flooding', from radio interviews I've heard. I think she will, and should, apologise, as she has been proved wrong.

But, she is saying what many other more articulate and polished people think, but who don't have her guts to get up and say it. She now has 3 other colleagues who could well soften some of her blows, and she is neccessary to our increasingly moribund, elitist political system.

Cheers.

PS, Paul,

Otb is right about the walkout, in my view. It is almost sacrosanct in parliament that you respect the maiden speech of new members no matter who they are. You do not heckle. You even congratulate them (through gritted teeth, maybe). Hell, even Derryn Hinch gave her a peck on the cheek. You certainly do not walk out. It's unwritten law. The Greens were disgraceful, and I have emailed them and Dodson along those lines. I know it would be hurtful to you, Paul, but this is not the first time the parliamenary Greens have demonstrated the hatred and thuggishness they accuse others of.

It was a cheap political stunt. What cowards they are.

Expect more.

what an honor to have such haters of this nation walking out when you speak.

Paul,
The greens walked out on Pauline's speech claiming 'racism'. Where was the racism? I suggest it was a bit of a dramatic spin on the greens part only.

Pauline's main attack was on muslims and heavens knows they need it as they make no attempt to integrate at all They won't compromise at all and claim only a few are radical, yet if you ask any muslim does he believe in what the koran says, he will say yes and it advocates death for infidels. No compromise at all. Remember the posters carried by muslims. "Behead those who insult allah".

Look around the world. ISIS represents main stream islam. Won't homosexuals be in for a shock if Islam gains more power? By any means stop further muslim immigration.

Paul, I don't hate muslims, I simply do not like their ideology.

We are indeed in danger of being over run by those who believe in death for homosexuals, wife beating, forced conversion to their political/religious ideology; who hate free speech and democratic systems.
The danger is not immediate but the long term plan of Islam in every society is to see the rule of Allah established.
Islam cannot change for it is based on the recorded word of Allah as handed down to Muhammad, the Last Prophet.
The penalty for doubting the Koran is death.

Twenty years ago, Pauline claimed we were going to be swamped by Asians, or words to that effect.

She was wrong.

Predicting the future is a notoriously tricky business, and I have no faith in the Prophet Pauline given her lousy track record.

//I support free speech//

So does everybody else. I also support free listening. If people shouldn't be prohibited from saying what they like, they shouldn't be forced to listen to what they don't like. Anything else would be illiberal.

//The Greens Senators were right in walking out on her, rather than listen to her ranting.//

Yep, they were exercising their freedom of listening. This is bound to upset that certain class of tories who disapprove of freedom in general.

For those raving on about the Greens walking out on Hanson. I post Richard Di Natale's E-mail as to why.

Dear Paul,

We just walked out of the Senate, in the middle of Senator Pauline Hanson’s first speech.

Here’s why:

As a kid in the playground at school, I was called a “greasy wog” and told to “go home”. Those words can stay with you, and the words of Pauline Hanson tonight will breed that same hate – targeted at more kids and families. But we do not have to stand for that.

In the words of Australian of the Year David Morrison, “the standard you walk past is the standard you accept”. I know you’re standing with us tonight.

In hope,

Richard

PS – As elected members of Parliament, we are in a position to choose whether we want to unite or want to divide this nation. And right now, we need unity more than ever. Will you stand with us and sign the pledge to stand against racism?

Well said Richard. I certainly will.

Kind regards
Paul.

Richard Di Natale was being a real dick wasn't he, Paul1405? His was a blunt, non-negotiable, very wrong position and action saying that in the opinion of the Greens there is no worth in even trying to put one's opinion in the Parliament. That results cannot be achieved through the democratic processes.

Especially where elected Senators are concerned, that is a very wrong and dangerous view to be putting to all of those disaffected youth and others with a grievance against society: that they should not be placing any trust in the Parliament and it is better to reject opposing views out of hand, to censor opposing views and take unilateral action, including breaking the law to get what they want.

That is apparently what motivated the youthful Hilton Hotel bomber, Evan Pederick, who had all of the advantages in life and a happy home. But leftist Pederick was considerably miffed that he couldn't get his own way on everything, that authority and society didn't sign up to his political idealism.

It is shameful that any elected member, especially federal Senators who enjoy so many privileges and have practically unfettered access to government, business information and even personal information affecting citizens, should be acting up as protesters and exiting the House after refusing to even listen to another view and a Maiden speech at that. They showed complete contempt for the Parliament and other members.

From their actions, one could easily believe that the Greens were trying their best to provoke demonstrations and disorder outside the federal Parliament and in other public places. Thankfully they failed in their bid and were left with considerable egg on their faces.

A Big Fail to Richard Di Natale and those shameless, seat-polishing Greens Senators. Of course the Greens need political stunts to hide their failures that are pointing to their slide downhill like the Democrats. They should be getting upset with L'il Willie Shorten who is intent on capturing the far left from them.

Paul,

You probably received a reply because you are Greens supporter and gave him a pat on the back. I didn't get a reply to my email because I told him what I thought about his walkout- politely. I have been writing to politicians for decades, and know that they do not reply to any criticism. Except for Tony Abbott who responded to every critical letter I wrote to him.

Mr. di Natale, like all other politicians, does not answer criticism so I have to assume you sucked up to him. Thanks for revealing his pathetically childish reason to us, though, proving that he us a sour-pussed grudge-holder who has never recovered from childhood slights. What a type to have in parliament!

Beach, like Hanson you stretch the truth to suit, claiming Evan Pederick, was a "leftists". When in fact he was a member of an eastern fruitcake mob called "Ananda Marga". I hate to spoil your senseless narrative.
Appeasement of a ratbag has been tried before, and it failed. No need for pecks on the cheek, and warmly hugs and handshakes for Hanson, it will not change her bigoted attitude one bit. Then again I can't but help believing you and others support that bigoted attitude.

Tony Lavis,

I don't know what you call 'swamped', but there are certainly a lot of Asians living in Australia, so PH could have been right, depending on where you live and what you actually notice. Are they any trouble? No, most of them make good migrants, and most of them came from within our region. They respect the law, like most Australians; they work, they speak English and, what ever they do in the privacy of their own homes, they are normal, respected citizens in public life.

Because Pauline Hanson was, perhaps, wrong about Asians (and I believe she now realises that) she is not necessarily wrong about Muslims who, in the main, are just the opposite of what I said about Asians. Most Muslims do not fit in.

However, for the sake of diplomacy, and the individuals who are trying to fit in (we have to remember that these people were brought up from childhood with dogma drummed into them, just as we were, but with knowing of alternatives later on,as we were) Hanson should have addressed Islam, not Muslims. Given the chance, many Muslims could find that they prefer our way of life. And they have the right to do so,here.

No disrespect to you Paul,
But its becoming more and more apparent to me that the left are like the kids at school that got picked on.
They sought power and payback and became the bullies.

Instead of 'greasy wog' he should have gone with 'angry spiteful wog', or maybe just 'pathetic PTSD wog'.

Isn't this the Soros shill that hired slaves for $150 a week?
Unaustralian bastard.

Paul1405,

The Hilton Hotel bomber was an intelligent, well-educated young man from a cosseted background, with a permanent job in the federal public service (then Social Security) who was a member of the public service clerical union and yes, indisputably, he was a leftist. He couldn't accept the simple fact that his opinion didn't always rule.

That he was eventually found and used by Ananda Marga proves the point being made.

It is outrageous, despicable, that by their actions the Greens Senators have discredited the AVAILABLE, normal democratic avenues and the apex of it all, the federal Senate, as a means to be heard and to integrate.

The Senate and in fact the House of Representatives should be making it very plain to the idiotic, grandstanding, serial protesting Greens jackasses that the Greens walk-out from the Senate was very stupid indeed and intolerable and could only serve to discredit the Parliament and lower its credibility.

Shame, Greens, shame!

Not sure about the effects of Conroy retiring, but if there is a by-election, my tip is PH will take the seat as she is the only one sticking up for Australians rights.

Do you people honestly believe that if the time comes for Muslims to choose between us or them, they will choose us. Get a grip people.

Beach, all I can say is your postings on Greens walking out on Hanson is a load of indignant self righteous clap trap. No Senator has to sit to attention, and politely listen as another raves on with rubbish. As was the case with Hanson, she wasn't speaking on any important legislation, just doing a bit of ill-informed raving. If your going to carry on about polititions not listening to others in the house, its common practice for the chamber to be almost empty at times when someone is speaking. In the case of Liberals they are known to take an early early mark, for an extra long long weekend just ask Turnbull.
I like your description of a lefty "a member of the public service clerical union and yes, indisputably, he was a leftist." Yep, that certainly proves it!

Actually, Pauline Hanson wasn't the main player at all. She just gave the Greens the opportunity to reinforce their intolerance and petulance, once again. Many thanks to Paul for keeping their abominable behaviour on the burner, and for sharing di Nasty's PRIVATE email with us.

I would say that the Greens' disgusting behaviour and their open hatred of Pauline Hanson will garner her more support than ever. The Greens need a public relations firm; but what organisation would want the task of trying to make them look acceptable?

Paul,

Do the Greens support Muslim detestation of homosexuals?

Paul1405,

The federal clerical officers union did have its bolshie Bolshies among its workplace delegates and Pederick was one such. As is so often the case with serial activists, it was his way or the highway. He wanted 'authority' to bend over backwards or else.

The Greens Senators have shown that they are devoid of principle, by cynically chasing headlines instead of doing what they are paid to do and so handsomely paid too.

At the same time the Greens and some equally cynical grandstanding others, have encouraged the disaffected in their belief that they are not heard by Parliament, they have no influence and the only way is to take the law into their own hands with public disorder and worse.

The exasperated Aussie taxpayer has the right to expect better than a Greens walk-out and apparently to encourage demonstrations outside the Parliament. That IS the form of the shabby, shameless Greens. Those Senators should have their pay and entitlements docked for their absence.

As well, both houses of Parliament should move ASAP to castigate the Greens and to re-build the credibility of Parliament.

IS Mise, any more silly questions.Do you expect me to know what 30,000 people think Do Shooters support the use of guns by terrorists? A case of one gunny supporting another. Same sort of silly question.

No worries ttbn, nothing private in Richards E-mail, nothing he would not tell you to your face.

"The Greens need a public relations firm; but what organisation would want the task of trying to make them look acceptable?"
Well Pauline has already booked the 'Gestapo' to am exclusive contract, so that counts them out.

Paul1405,

Talking about publicity agents, are the 'Eastern Bloc' Greens especially still denying any links/contact between the Greens and billionaire currency speculator Soros' outfit? What about Soros' sly 'Open Society'?

Is there any basis for the allegations? Do tell.

Soros keeps on popping up in the news and affecting domestic politics in Australia,

"Soros and GetUp! - funding the left, increasing influence

Over the years we have written about the influence of US billionaire George Soros and his Open Society Foundation - and the funding that is provided by Soros to left-leaning organisations.

We've also regularly exposed the activities of GetUp!, the very left-leaning political organisation in Australia that opposes anything conservative and promotes socialist ideals.

In the recent election, GetUp! campaigned against conservative MPs - rebranding them as "hard Right", while at the same time "recasting the Left as moderate or progressive".

In this must-read article, Jennifer Oriel reveals that recently 'hacked' files expose the extent of the influence that George Soros has on western politics, including immigration, and the threat this is to national sovereignty. She includes information about funding provided to GetUp! by George Soros, the campaign run by GetUp! during the recent election, and the fact that Bill Shorten was one of the first Board members!

Dr Jennifer Oriel is a columnist at The Australian - but she also has a PhD in political science"

article by Jennifer Oriel, The Australian, 22/8/2016
http://www.saltshakers.org.au/index.php/108-fp-articles/fp-2016/1656-soros-and-getup-funding-the-left-increasing-influence

and

"billionaire George Soros’ Open Societies Foundation. The group funds left-wing activist groups around the world including MoveOn.org, which organised violent protests at Trump rallies earlier this year, most notably in Chicago"
from, "Bill Clinton ‘still dicking bimbos at home’"
news.com.au SEPTEMBER 17, 201612:49PM

and

Money talks? From Ferguson to unrest overseas, new reports reveal Soros influence"
http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/money-talks-from-ferguson-to-unrest-overseas-new-reports-reveal-soros-influence/news-story/f1dc8cd292633eb430d8470242b7988a

Paul,

If Pauline knows about the Gestapo she, unlike you, would know that the Gestapo hasn't existed for 70 years. They cared about people and public relations about as much the Greens do. Of course, the Greens have become a good replacement for the Gestapo, now that you mention it : hate, hate, hate, opression,oppression, opression. Stop people from speaking. Trying to censor everything. Thanks for reminding us of the similarities. You'll be finding yourself out of favour with Senator di Nasty and his stormtroopers.

Beach. are you a ghost writer for Andrew Bolt or some such News Corp cretin. After all you are the forums past master of the beat up! I see you have just posted another one.

To answer your question (as I always do). NO!

ttbn, how about making up your own funnies. As Kart Marx famously said "The problem with the rabid right is they have no sense of humor!" Karl would know, he was a laugh a minute himself, or was that his brother Groucho.

Paul,

Do the Greens support Muslims in beating their wives?

Aren't the Greens opposed to domestic violence?

//Those Senators should have their pay and entitlements docked for their absence.//

Would that apply to other Senators and MP's? Or is this a case of one rule for the Greens and a different rule for everyone else?

Because it strikes me as a good way to save the taxpayer some money if we're going to be fair and consistent about penalising politicians for absence. I'm assuming you've never seen how sparsely populated the houses of parliament are most of the time.

//Do the Greens support Muslims in beating their wives?//

Do you support non-Muslims beating their wives, Is Mise? It's just that you only seem to be worried about the Muslims who beat their wives. I don't see why the Jews, Hindus et. al. should get a free pass when it comes to domestic violence.

Toni Lavis,

The OP by Paul1405 was directed at the Greens. Read the last sentence of it.

//The OP by Paul1405 was directed at the Greens//

And? The comment by Is Mise was directed at Muslims, and that's what I was responding to. I already responded to the OP on Friday.

Toni,

My comment was directed at the Greens, they seem to support Muslims and I was merely wondering if they support the Muslim interpretations of the Koan.

Such as, do the Greens support polygamy?

Paul,
The greens leader (whats his name)said 'we will call out racism when ever it occurs'. So where was the racism in Paulines speech?

Oh, if you suggest it is racist to critisize muslims, are not muslims racist in attacking Jews?

Is Mise, are we now into trading silly questions, you ask one and then I ask one back. I see it is my turn.

So as not to paint you as a bigoted racists I'll make my question as broad as I can.

Are Gunnies in favor of shooting their wives, husbands, children, pet dog, next door neighbor, the boss at work, anyone in general, black white or bridal Chinese, Lebanese, Japanese, and anyone I may have missed out on?

Since none of the above are specifically mentioned as being excluded as targets to be shot by Gunnies in Gunny policy, can I like you and Beach do with The Greens, assume they are all legitimate targets for Gunny annihilation.

Because of the vast difference in birth rates, many European countries will be predominately Muslim and therefore Muslim countries, in 20 - 30 years.

This also applies to Britain, the US and Australia.

What the % of Muslim population is now is not in the slightest bit relevant, its all about the VAST difference in birth rates.

//I was merely wondering if they support the Muslim interpretations of the Koan.//

Then why do you keep asking Paul about your interpretations of the Koran? You're not a Muslim.

//What the % of Muslim population is now is not in the slightest bit relevant, its all about the VAST difference in birth rates.//

Which is what, exactly? Assertions like this are entirely meaningless if you're not willing to provide the quantitative data so we can check your analysis for ourselves.

Ref,

This might not necessarily be so. David A. Goldman in "Why Civilizations Die", reports that, even in Muslim countries, the birthrate has dropped lower than that anywhere else in the world. They used to have an average of 7 offspring, I understand, compared with say Israel, with 2, which is somewhere around the figure for the West. The high Muslim birthrate used to support ageing families, because there is no welfare as we know it. Goldman believes the Muslim reduction is due to a sense of despair and hoplessness, which stops all animals, even the highest animals, humans, from breeding. He attributes the same despair to jihadists - last-ditch violence, because they have nothing left to lose.

I don't know if that it is true or not. Perhaps they don't need the big families any longer, because they intend coming to the West for the welfare; they only go for the countries with generous welfare. Poland is one of the European countries does not want any of the current European rush. They have about 1,500 economic refugees in camp, but give them only the equivalent of $AU75 a month, which goes a long way to explaining why illegals don't want to go to Poland. A lesson for us?

Referundemdrivensocienty, the birth rates are further increased through multiple wives.

The whole problem is, which is the backbone of Pauline's stand, is that these people come here by invitation, and pretty much thumb their noses at us and do as they like.

The greens and the major parties, along with the Pauls of the country just cant see through the BS to see what's actually happening.

If anyone thought, as I did, that Muslims were not allowed into Japan, go to youtube, and search for 'Muslim Problem In Japan', where you will see a mob of them demonstrating outside the U.S embassy in Tokyo, calling for heads to be cut off. (2012).

You will also see a Japanese policeman 'protecting' a Muslim agitator from an Australian interviewer.

Funny thing, Paul, why do the Greens support Muslims because Muslims do not support the Greens.

You should know b now that Muslims are members of a religious/political movement which is not restricted to any race, to criticize them is therefore not racist.

Greens/Labour attacking Hanson while muslims attack men, women and children everywhere they immigrate. The Greens far to busy attacking Christians and anyone standing for decency. What a disgrace.

Toni,

"//I was merely wondering if they support the Muslim interpretations of the Koan.//

Then why do you keep asking Paul about your interpretations of the Koran? You're not a Muslim."

I don't; those are not my interpretations of the Koran but genuine 100% Muslim views of what their Holy Book says, a book, I might add, that owes a lot to the Biblical writers.

Is Mise, as an atheist I do not support any religion, including Islam. You and others blindly believe that if you were able to ban Islam, all the problems of the world would be miraculously solved. I don not believe that would be the case. What Islam (religion) does is it gives radical militants a focus which can be exploited to identify themselves with millions of other people. If we simply direct our efforts to counter terrorism in the world at the religion itself, and do nothing else, the danger is all we will achieve is to alienate moderates who see nothing wrong in their religion.
If we had taken a more benevolent approach to the economic and social issues of the Middle East over the past 100 years or so, rather that simply treating the region as an opportunity for exploitation, we may not be facing the horrific difficulties of terrorism today. The people of the Middle East. who suffer far worse than we do at the hands of terrorists, through war and dislocation, would be living a more rewarding existence as well.
Hanson makes herself part of the problem, what she does is throw up her arms with alarm, and warns of impending doom and gloom, be it real or imaginary, without offering any long term solutions. Hanson and her not so intelligent supporters, offer no real long term solutions at all, but would rather lock the door and hope the problems go away, which they wont! Given the Hansonites approach.

When Terry Sharples rolls over and spills the beans to his Murdochratic masters over the Abbott/ Australians for Honest Politics...then we might just see "democracy in action".

http://pandora.nla.gov.au/pan/21852/20040221-0000/www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/08/28/1062028274721.html

Until then, it's just more of the same inane tripe from Labor, Liberal, Greens and others.

What a joke! A Green atheist judging the intelligence of others.

... said another atheist, in a splendid display of self-loathing.

If you live here then Pauline Hanson was right 20 years ago.
You only need to look at school closing time to see that she was right.
Now, if you ask the Swedes who still live in Malmo you will see that
Pauline would have been right if her remarks were about Malmo.
What obviously concerns Pauline is that we will if we are not very careful
suffer the fate of that city.

With the Chinese they at least did not come with the intention of
introducing communism.
The same cannot be said of the moslems who come with the religious
intent to introduce sharia law and the Jaziz tax on all non-moslems.
Of course if you are a Christian the ultimate aim is to delete you.
If you are not, the aim is to delete you.
You may dismiss that as rubbish but that is the precedent that has
applied in other countries and towns.
There is plenty of information on this if you do not believe me.
Before you abuse me, go and read it up for yourself.

Is Mise; The greens are what the moslems call "Useful Idiots".
They get that tag because they help Islam into power yet they will be
among the first to be "put to the sword".
Put to the sword is not so literal these days but a bullet in the brain
is a cheap subsitute.
Likewise the lefty homosexuals are also useful idiots and they get a
fast trip from the highest floor to the ground floor.

Paul1409; The old hoary excuse that the moderates are fine was worn out
years ago. The moderates fall into the mosques line when the time comes.
They may never themselves run around cutting off heads (literally or metaphorically)
but they will support their religion.

On the beach, the Greens better known from now as the useful idiots
are now part of the regressive left and have joined in the abusive
violent movement that has escaped from the universities' deepest thinkers.

Bazz,

You are right. A true Muslim can never be 'moderate' because there is no moderation in Islam. Some might seem to be moderate; but Islam permits, even demands, adherents to practise 'taqiyya' (in English,lying) to protect the faith. So, even if when gently-spoken and jovial Sheik Bigbeard says he abhors violence, how do we know he isn't lying? We do know, without doubt, that they are lying like pigs in straw when they claim that 'Islam is the religion of peace". That, or they don't read their Koran.

Only an ex-Muslim who discards Islam is to be trusted.

Paul,

Pauline isn't trying to solve the world's Muslim problem, she is only trying to convince Australians to see the problems that we face with Muslims in our society.

In it but by their own choice not of it.

The Koran is a recipe for disaster to Western democracy.

I have numerous Muslim friends, including one whom I have fought beside, indeed I owe him my life and he owes me, but when it gets down to a choice between his western values and Islam he will choose Islam, for, as he has said, he must think of the lives of his family.
He would gladly renounce Islam if he could guarantee that his family would not be killed.
He doesn't live in Australia although he would like to do so but in his younger days he took the maximum of four lots of married bliss and how could not bear to leave them and his fifteen children and all the grand kids.

Is Mise,

I'm glad that you have such a friend. that is good indeed. I have a lot of ethnic and socially diverse friends and family myself. These are people I trust and love. What I have found is basically they all want the same things out of life. None of my friends, including the Muslim ones, have any propensity towards violence what so ever. Those with children, their number one priority is to obtain the best for their kids through education, and give them a good start in life.
Some of my friends and their children have been shamefully abused at times by strangers for no reason other than they are perceived as different. Even my partner "T" was once told by a stranger to "Get back to China, where you belong." What ignorance, my partner is a Maori from New Zealand, never been near China, but this guy just perceived her as different, and wanted to lash out.
There are legitimate concerns about the religious influence in peoples lives at times, not just the negative influence Islam can have on some people, but even for some Christians I have found religion has had a negative influence and caused conflict in their lives. I am not going to condemn anyone until they give me a good reason to do so, and I am certainly not going to condemn any group on mass because they adhere to some religion I don't agree with.
I often attack the Catholic Church on this forum, but you wont find me attacking Catholics per se. I find many Catholics to be decent people, but that does not mean I agree with their church, I suspect like many Muslims, they would be good people regardless of religious beliefs.

Unfortunately Paul1409 it does not work like that with Islam.
The moderates do support the religion when it comes to the crunch.
It probably is the result of Islam being an ideology that does not
have a separation between "church & state".

Comment was made about the Koran permitting lying to infidels being OK
to protect the religion or if it is to benefit a moslem.
Now this raises a legal question.
Is an oath sworn in court, or in a nationalisation ceremony on the Koran legal ?
It has an escape clause, so why has it never been brought up in court ?

the left continue with its idiotic false narrative with Isalm while followers of Isalm behead, bomb and knife Westerners. Oh well they might get a spot on Q&A to mock those telling the truth or to smear with their 'superior'intelligence. I wonder if Malcolm's woken up yet or if the luv of the praises of Western values still blinds him.

The following link should be read by the useful idiots as well as all
of those sitting on the side.
It is a day by day report of what Islam is doing to Britain.
This is the August report and that a report can be made for every day
of the month shows the intensity of the problem moslems bring with them.

http://tinyurl.com/j6yunk8

Read it or forever be silent.

Paul, we are fighting a battle where the horse has already bolted as the big mistake was to One; allow them in in the first place, and Two; ignoring the problems they have caused globally, then choosing to ignore this evidence.

Of cause I am the first to admit that not all muslims are terrorists, or even a threat, however, there is little doubt that almost all terrorists are Muslims and, should they have to choose, I have little doubt most will choose Islam.

Bazz, are you a Useful Idiot brainwashed by the far right propaganda machine, such as the 'Gatestone Institute', hardly an unbiased organization. Obviously the far right is going to publish all the negative material on Muslims they can find.

So many right wingers have suddenly become experts on the Koran. One could just as easily write a disparaging critique of the Christian Bible. Just as I don't condemn the Worlds 2.3 billion Christians for the flawed teachings in the Bible, I don't condemn 1.7 billion Muslims for the same reasons.

Bazz, there are 1,700,000,000 Muslims in the World, what do you want done with them?

Locally it's not the millions of Muslims worldwide that are the problem, as I mentioned on another thread, Muslim friends that lived in Bankstown had to get out as they wanted their children to get away from the local Islamic influences.
These friends are moderate to a degree that saw their children being picked on for not conforming to the local Islamic ideal.

'One could just as easily write a disparaging critique of the Christian Bible.'

Well go on then Paul, put your money where you mouth is and we'll all judge whether your argument holds up.

I'm not one to defend religions generally, but I will if you want to compare Christianity to Islam.
Christians (as annoying as they can be) don't try to overthrow society like Islam does.
Render unto Cesear what belongs to Cesear, heard of that?
They have found a way to co-exist with a non-religious authority unlike Islam that contains religious, political and military doctrine and aims to overthrow society.
And Christians don't stab and murder innocent people on Australian streets for no reason.

Paul1409, Armchair gave the answer I would have.
You need to draw breath, forget your left indoctrination, just for
long enough to go and read what is going on.
Of course the Gatestone Institute is biased. It is its purpose to
publicise what Islam's objective is in western societies.
That is what you need to examine yourself and just do not take for
granted everything that comes from the left.
Perhaps you are an old time lefty, if so you probably have not realised
how the left has changed to a repressive movement.

Read the history of Islam, it is a history of invading the infidel
countries, and the Koran commands the conquest of "Rome".
Rome of course was the main western civilisation of the time.
Islam realises they cannot do it the old way with armies so they are
working to achieve their aim by immigration.
They do not make a secret of it, they shout it out loud.
It is just that a lot of people like yourself are not listening.
Instead you make excuses for Islam and that is why you are a "Useful Idiot".

True Bazz, I wrote a while ago that world war three had started, not through guns and the like, but through the displacement of people whom, when presenting on others door steps, would pose great financial Burdon on the countries they fled to, and this is just what is happening now. We cant fully fund many the services in our country, and I suspect we are much better off than many. Another reason why Mr Brain fart's announcement to increase the refugee intake to 19,000 every year is ridiculous.

We are also dealing with a totally different faith here as they strive for total domination knowing that at some point, one generation will achieve just that. This is not a life time plan, its the plan of the movement from within Islam and it has no end date. It will continue until they either achieve their goal, or they are stopped.

Why the Greens play the racism card, when Islam is a religious dogma not a race. Eben Muslims are not one race of people but all races; beats the intelligence of the Greens.

Yes Rechub there is a financial problem that the moslems are generating.
The dogs in the street are barking that there is a major financial
crisis coming over the horizon. Today Japan has released more pixel
money and China's debt bubble is straining to burst.
With all that facing us then throw another million coming out of the ME
then there will be a real disaster.
They will be entering countries in a financial crisis.
Some of those countries will be imposing financial measures on their
countries, such as buy-ins on the banks and taking depositors money.
Think of the reaction of the man in the street ?

It is Egypt that worries me. It will have to unload 45 million people.
The crash will mean that the charity coming from the Gulf States will
dry up quickly and the food supply might fall around 50%.

About the only hope is that the crash may stop the fighting in the ME.
Or perhaps it will make it much worse. The moslum armies may invade
the Ukraine as the easiest source of food. However the Russians may
not like that. In that dismal scenario the possibilities are endless.