Genocide of blacks in America by police has highlighted the need to get guns out of our own society.
This year the USA Police have killed 570 Americans.
The feared KKK only killed twenty blacks per year from 1882.
So what went wrong.
U.S.Police have the firepower to kill everyone of the 250 million Americans currently alive.
In Australia,Police have killed innocent members of the public and yet have been given leave without pay and a pension.No jail and all the weight of the legal profession to let them go free.
The NSW policewoman who shot three innocent elderly shoppers at Westfield Hornsby last month is just a warning that nobody is safe from being killed by Police.
Less than thirty years ago no Police carried guns.They were safely locked away in the local Police station.
Today we have small helpless policewomen being given guns.
This cocktail of lethal force is in a police car near you.
More Police shoot themselves than are killed by criminals.
In London the average cop on the beat is not issued a gun and an armed Police Volvo station wagon is available within five minutes if needed.
These cars have highly trained snipers aboard,who are not menopausal.
The result is that less innocent people are killed in the UK than in Australia,despite having a much larger population.
It is time to get guns out of the hands of regular police.If not we can expect Australia to turn into another killing field.
Gun happy Dan Andrews.Premier of Victoria has just returned from a police gun buying trip to the USA.We will soon get police with automatic military weapons to shoot up our local Westfield shoppers.

' Genocide of blacks in America by police has highlighted the need to get guns out of our own society.'

ignorant comments like this one cause more deaths than anything else.

Take guns away from the police! How ratty can you be. Guns can't be taken away from people who have them illegally and use them to shoot police. So, let's disarm the police so that black racists in America can shoot more police. It was the black racists who started shooting at police. Videos seemed to show that there were more black police than white, and as many dirtbag whites as blacks waving banners about. The whole black/white thing is a political set up.

"Less than thirty years ago no Police carried guns.They were safely locked away in the local Police station."

Where, Brock?

With the drug culture in the USA, where cops get shot & killed just carrying out an ordinary traffic stop, is it any wonder they are trigger happy. They want to go home in one piece, at the end of their shift.

Perhaps it would be a better idea to not break the law, & attract attention to yourself, if you don't want to get shot. Perhaps we could so advise the crooks.

//"Less than thirty years ago no Police carried guns.They were safely locked away in the local Police station."

Where, Brock?//

I assume Britain, because it certainly isn't Australia.

Despite the fact that most British bobbies don't carry firearms, they don't seem to have an enormous crime problem in the UK. So the empirical data would suggest that you don't need give policemen guns for them to be effective policemen.

"..you don't need give policemen guns for them to be effective policemen"

First get the drug trafficking criminal gangs to disarm themselves. Fat chance.

"Task Force Maxima officers arrest Hells Angels bikie over cocaine and handgun
Gold Coast Bulletin
May 30, 2016

OFFICERS have charged a senior patched Hells Angels bikie after finding cocaine and a semiautomatic handgun in a car."

http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/crime-court/task-force-maxima-officers-arrest-hells-angels-bikie-in-possession-of-cocaine-and-handgun/news-story/351dae01522e08bc5db52c9d776b3569

and

"Gold Coast bikie allegedly caught with loaded gun, gloves and tape in Mermaid Beach

Alexandria Utting, Gold Coast Bulletin
July 9, 2016 12:00am

POLICE are investigating whether a Nomads bikie allegedly caught with a loaded handgun down his pants at Mermaid Beach was on his way to settle a score.

They said the 25-year-old Sunshine Coast man was also carrying a bag containing gloves and tape when an eagle-eyed officer saw he was wearing bikie colours and stopped him as he left the carpark of an apartment complex on Seashell Ave, about 1.30am.

The plainclothes and uniformed officers had been called to a unit at the Splendido Apartments after receiving reports that a woman had been heard screaming.

Police will allege they found a fully loaded .44 magnum Ruger Redhawk revolver down the man’s pants."
http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/crime-court/gold-coast-bikie-allegedly-caught-with-loaded-gun-gloves-and-tape-in-mermaid-beach/news-story/ce06b8bffa0ee3d3f2740ab3e1dad87a

Sure makes one wonder why Labor and Greens resolved to trash the Newman government's successful Vicious Lawless Association Disestablishment Act 2013 (VLAD), that was enacted to "severely punish members of criminal organisations that commit serious offenses".

//"..you don't need give policemen guns for them to be effective policemen"

First get the drug trafficking criminal gangs to disarm themselves.//

Actually, they have drugs, gangs and guns in the UK as well.

Toni Lavis,

You ignore the social problems of multiculturalism in the US where violence, including with weapons is largely black on black, involving drugs and gangs.

However the examples from the rest of Europe, examples being Sweden, Germany and France have caused the UK to stop and take stock of its own gathering social problems and growing violence and necessarily arming police to protect the public and themselves. The Brits have also discovered the means to reduce the importation of more problems too.

You should be aware though that unarmed police only results in delays, confusion and wasted resources while more police with the necessary firearms have to respond to the call, cross busy streets and be briefed on arrival. The offenders would be long gone after committing whatever crimes they choose.

This policeman was shot in the face on the Gold Coast,

"Gold Coast man shot cop in face with rifle: a court has heard

AAP, Gold Coast Bulletin
October 13, 2015 1:05pm

A MAN shot a police dog handler in the face with a rifle to avoid being arrested for a Gold Coast armed robbery, a court has heard.

Robert George Speedy, 49, of Labrador, pleaded not guilty in the Brisbane Supreme Court today to the attempted murder of Sergeant Gary Hamrey on September 27, 2012.

During the opening of his trial prosecutor Phil McCarthy said Speedy shot Sgt Hamrey from four metres after he and an accomplice were cornered behind a shed after stealing $40,000 from the Arundel Tavern."

The courageous cop managed to return fire to curtail further attack.

However you would not be volunteering to be that cop and with no protection outside of a cotton shirt where the offender always has the drop on you, now would you?

The claim that arming police gives rise to violence is absolute rubbish.

//You ignore the social problems of multiculturalism in the US where violence, including with weapons is largely black on black, involving drugs and gangs.//

I have not mentioned the US. I was comparing the situations in Britain and Australia, which have similar cultures but different approaches towards policing, with both approaches appearing to be quite effective based on crime rates.

//However you would not be volunteering to be that cop and with no protection outside of a cotton shirt where the offender always has the drop on you, now would you?//

No, I prefer a nice indoors job with no heavy lifting. The world needs nerds as well as macho, macho men.

//The claim that arming police gives rise to violence is absolute rubbish.//

That wasn't my claim. My claim is that not arming police with firearms does not prevent them from being effective policemen, based on the evidence from the UK. Do you have any evidence to refute that claim, rather than the strawman you'd prefer to attack?

Dear Toni Travis,

To the charge //The claim that arming police gives rise to violence is absolute rubbish.// you wrote “That wasn't my claim.”

My question to you is why not?

The evidence in the UK is irrefutable. When they increased the number of armed officers to around 17% there was a dramatic rise in civilian deaths from police shootings. So much so they reversed their decision and now only 7% are permitted to carry weapons.

“The issue of routine arming in Great Britain was raised after the 1952 Derek Bentley case, in which a Constable was shot dead and a Sergeant severely wounded, and again after the 1966 Massacre of Braybrook Street, in which three London officers were killed. As a result, around 17% of officers in London became authorised to carry firearms. After the deaths of a number of members of the public in the 1980s fired upon by police, control was considerably tightened, many officers had their firearm authorisation revoked, and training for the remainder was greatly improved. As of 2005, around 7% of officers in London are trained in the use of firearms. Firearms are also only issued to an officer under strict guidelines.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_firearms_in_the_United_Kingdom

" As a result of the shootings,<b> unarmed </b> officers at the local police station were informed and began following Bird's taxi as it drove onto Coach Road. There, Bird fired his shotgun at a passing taxi, injuring the male driver, Terry Kennedy, and the female passenger, Emma Percival. Bird was then able to flee the officers after he aimed his shotgun at two of them, forcing them to take cover. However, he did not fire; he instead took advantage of the <b> unarmed officers'</b> distraction to escape"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumbria_shootings

Toni Lavis,

The OP did refer to the US.

You can feel safe because community-minded men and women are prepared to undertake roles that place them at risk. There is no need to disparage them as 'macho'.

Your claim has already been refuted by the example of the Gold Coast police dog handler who was shot in the face, but still managed to fire his side arm causing the cowardly offenders to break off their attack. Or would you like to speculate that he would have been more 'effective' without his firearm?

Before you get around to quoting Professor Alpers and (Soros's) 'gun control' you could do all a service by detailing any relevant academic qualifications Adjunct Professor Alpers might have. Make that ANY academic qualifications where Alpers is concerned. You might also give the source of his funding, criticism of his previous 'research findings' and his relationship, if any, with the NSW 'Watermelon' Greens.

For myself, I agree with the policy of the State and federal parliaments that require police to carry specific equipment which may include a firearm to successfully fulfill their duties. No sense in a firefighter turning up without necessary gear and the same applies to police. Then it is policy, training and judgement that rightfully decides the course of action.

Of course Australia doesn't yet have the social problems of the US and it seems as though the UK is finally stepping in the right direction after witnessing what is happening France, Sweden, Germany and elsewhere.

Your 'No (police)guns, no violent crime' is an oversimplification and ducks the thorny nettle of social contributors and the downsides of leftist 'Progressive' social engineering, for instance, endless diversity and multicultural policies.

"Surveys by the Police Federation of England and Wales have continued to show police officers' considerable resistance to routine arming. In the Federation's most recent (2006) Officer/Arming survey, 82% of respondents were against the routine arming of police"
Wikipedia

SteeleRedux,

You should do other posters the politeness of reading previous posts before leaping in.

Suffice it to say however that Australia decides its own policies. Use Google and you will find plenty of informed discussion on the reasons for the standard issue of their equipment.

Why Australia should not be copy-catting decisions of UK politicians,

<Myleene Klass warned by police after waving 'illegal' kitchen knife at intruders in her garden

Myleene Klass was told off by police for waving a knife through her window to scare off two teenagers trying to break into her garden shed.

The musician was alone in her kitchen, with her two-year-old daughter asleep upstairs, when she grabbed the knife and shouted 'I'm calling the police'.

Officers who arrived at her house in Potters Bar, Hertfordshire, on Friday warned her that it was illegal to carry an 'offensive weapon' even at home.>
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242040/Myleene-Klass-warned-police-waving-illegal-kitchen-knife-intruders-garden.html

If she had been assaulted or killed in her home the police would have arrived too late anyhow. But 'Don't you wave that bread knife or you will be arrested".

That is the example you'd like followed? What a joke.

Is it time to take guns away from police?

It certainly is, If cops did not have guns the citizens would fear the motives of their govt less. The anti gun debate is only about taking guns away from the citizens. The debate is not about taking guns away from the state and also from the citizens. note the difference

"Is it time to take guns away from police?

It certainly is, If cops did not have guns the citizens would fear the motives of their govt less. The anti gun debate is only about taking guns away from the citizens. The debate is not about taking guns away from the state and also from the citizens. note the difference
Posted by Referundemdrivensocienty, Sunday, 10 July 2016 8:56:21 PM"

Only my innate politeness stops me from making a rude remark.

//Before you get around to quoting Professor Alpers and (Soros's) 'gun control' you could do all a service by detailing any relevant academic qualifications Adjunct Professor Alpers might have. Make that ANY academic qualifications where Alpers is concerned. You might also give the source of his funding, criticism of his previous 'research findings' and his relationship, if any, with the NSW 'Watermelon' Greens.//

I haven't mentioned Professor Alpers, Soros, or the NSW Greens.

Why do you persist in attacking strawmen? Is it too hard for you to attack the arguments that I've actually made?

//Your 'No (police)guns, no violent crime' is an oversimplification//

And a strawman.

Here's the point I wish to make.

I'm not opposed to police carrying guns to defend themselves, so long as they're correctly trained; are of sound mind and genuinely seek to uphold safety and the public good within the community.

There is something that bothers me though.
Political Correctness or Equality in the Police force.

Nowadays any 5ft 50kg person can become a cop and get around armed.
If that 5ft 50kg person is more likely to shoot someone in a situation where a bigger more burly old school officer might be able to take control of a situation without guns, then I believe that these relaxing of laws put the public at greater risk.
Also the smaller physique officer may also take steroids to gain strength and build up body mass.
If this is happening an officers are experiencing 'roid rage' then I also question the reasons for changing the laws as they may put the community at greater risk.

If criminals have guns, there's no reasonable reason why police should have to go about their duties unarmed.
The bigger question is if criminals have guns then shouldn't citizens also not have a right to have guns to protect themselves from the criminals?

"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."

Armchair Critic,

Where standing up to and grappling with offenders is concerned, a seasoned Snr Sgt who would still meet his recruitment physical, told me that he was more concerned about the young male recruits. Feminist education system has sapped their testosterone and some are frightened of their service pistol.

However one shouldn't be disregarding the mental health policies of both sides of the house that saw marginal IQ and mental health sufferers pushed back onto relatives and the public for supervision and care.

Both Labor, Greens too and the LNP were determined to sell off the previous mental health and rehabilitation facilities that provided a refuge and necessary facilities for marginal IQ and mental health sufferers. There they could find stability, predictability and care, some meaningful work too. I have coffee tables that were made in one of the sheltered workshops.

But no, politicians and the accountant bureaucrats who advised the (and the developers who were envious of the land devoted to the facilities) just HAD to sell it all off. Copy-catted Britain in selling the farm. There had been criticism of some facilities. That was taken as the opportunity to sell.

A few years ago the widow living behind me was forced to take in her mid thirties son, who had difficulties with alcohol and a mental condition. His wife and children had fled. Part drunk, he came into my yard one evening to make random threats that I took seriously. Cornered, I lucked it when something took his attention and he left, but my left hand he couldn't see was resting on the handle of a shovel, luckily inside the garage door.

One night he grotesquely suicided. His mother's desperate cries could be heard as the ambos struggled. He could easily have attacked police. Not criticising the busy police on a Friday night, but they arrived after. There had been nasty multiple pile-ups on two freeways and other social problems to handle.

Government, the federal Parliament, is responsible for dumping social problems on the police. First fix that.

Should police be armed ?
It is too late to ask that question.
We now have an active community with a large percentage of criminal
gangs from countries where guns are used to even settle family disputes.
They are so blatant that when their car rebirthing racket was broken
up by the police they shot up Lakemba police station, just missing a
copper sitting at the desk computer.

It is just too late, that group of crims should never have been let into the country.

That would be the diversity imperative of the leftist 'Progressives', who copy-catted Labour in the UK,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1249797/Labour-threw-open-doors-mass-migration-secret-plot-make-multicultural-UK.html

Of course that maudlin fool Malcolm Fraser helped, going against the better advice of the Departments of Foreign Affairs and Immigration in his efforts to impress the left media.

I don't think we should take away the guns from our police in Australia, but we can try and lessen the number of legal and illegal guns in use in the community that are a danger to our police.

Thanks to our tougher gun laws, we don't have nearly as big a problem with gun violence in the general population as the US, but I do think we should toughen our gun laws much further so that no one can legally buy any gun that is not required for farm use or other legitimate use.

We need to further protect our civilians and police by not romanticising gun use by allowing gun sports or clubs. One only has to look at the firearms offences allegedly committed by high profile gun sportsmen, like Michael Diamond, to see that it is a mistake to allow civilians to legally have guns not needed for a good reason.

Suse,

How about not romanticizing gun use by banning all films, plays etc., in which guns are used; add all such books and comics and video games to that.

Suseonline, "so that no one can legally buy any gun that is not required for farm use or other legitimate use.

You mean 'legitimate' as defined from time to time by dictatorial you.

Eighties fembot clone of Kim Jong-un in khaki bibs'n'braces overalls and Doc Martens boots.

You have no idea of the Firearms regulations and it doesn't matter to your either, because "What SusanOnline says, GOES!" LOL

What business is it of yours what others do if they are not breaking the law?

Dear Onthebeach, just like everyone on this forum, I am entitled to my opinion.
I would suggest that you push your masculinist barrow much more fervently on this forum than I ever could as a feminist, and continue to exact great joy in sadisticly knocking down all opinions that don't agree with your mysogynistic views.

You haven't given any good reasons why we shouldn't toughen our gun laws,
so why don't you grab your big boy guns and run along to somewhere far away to play Cowboys and Indians with your other good Ol' boyfriends...

"Eighties fembot clone of Kim Jong-un in khaki bibs'n'braces overalls and Doc Martens boots."

Lol!, Suse...he can't help himself.

Bereft of cogent argument, his only recourse is to reach for his sexist insults, give them a quick buff and polish, and let rip!

" banning all films, plays etc., in which guns are used;"

So, no 'Gone with the Wind', 'Casablanca', 'Les Miserable', 'Treasure Island, 'War and Peace', 'Blues Brothers', 'American Beauty'. No 'Star Wars, 'Star Trek, 'Star is Born' (oops...got a bit star-struck there). Forget Tarantino, Bond, Bourne. No 'All Quiet on the Western Front', 'A Farewell to Arms'.

But at least we can keep '1984' so we'll know what happens when those of a totalitarian bent get control.

and we'll still have dills like Is Mise.

As far as I know the requirements to get a gun licence are rigorous
now anyway. Guns are being smuggled in and there are so many ways
that it can be done. Perhaps if police could get search warrants more
easily they might be able to move on just suspicion.

I think as it is now they have to have some evidence.
It would be hard to get a warrant to search an elderly couples house
without evidence of criminal activity, even if their son, who lived
elsewhere was under suspicion of shooting someone.

Is that the real way it is ? If so, tough, it has to be changed.

"....and we'll still have dills like Is Mise."

and we'll still have dills who don't get satire. LOL!!

Luckily Poirot, most of us know that the many films where guns are used/glorified are just fiction, and thus don't take them seriously, or seek to emulate the gun-toting wanna-be-big-tough-boys depicted in the movies. :)

...except maybe OTB and Is Mise?

I just read a report about one law officer in the US today who didn't get much use from his gun when a prisoner took it off him and killed 2 court officers before injuring a civilian and then getting shot dead himself.
Obviously, carrying a gun does not always protect you...

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/multiple-dead-in-michigan-courthouse-shooting/news-story/69ac4a228ff51ed29f8354273b368fe1

Suse,

That's interesting, why don't you complete it and tell us of the number of times that guns are used defensively in the US with success?

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_gun_use

I don't need to Is Mise.
The deaths by guns list for America is enough proof for me.
Look it up yourself. I am over it now.

Here's a task for you, Is Mise.

Go back to the date of the gay bar massacre, write down how many days have elapsed since then - now multiply that by 25....and you'll have a roughly accurate estimate of the number of people who have been murdered by firearm in the US since that date.

Suse and Poirot,

The point that I raised was not the number of killings but the number of times that a firearm was used defensively.

I realize that the great number of times that it happens would be distasteful to you but do broaden your outlooks.

Suse,

You mentioned the glamourizing of firearms; their lethal etc., use in entertainment is such glamourizing, fictional or otherwise.

To the people who did not understand that thirty years ago.
Police were not allowed to walk the streets with guns on their hips.
Many police today are small and therefore have no authority power in their character.The reason why criminals feared the Police was that they were big enough to physically and mentally handle any dangerous situation.
Guns have been given to Victoria Police in the last thirty years as Police have lost control of the streets of Australia.The guns are for self protection.

Broc,

Why would anyone want to deny the police an effective means of protection, in fact, why would anyone want to deny any person an effective means of protection?

Hey Suseonline,
I just watched a video where police saved a 9 year old from being killed by her older brother (who they shot dead) who had just cut off his 5 year old sisters head with a knife in front of police after stabbing his 17 year old sister to death who'd initially called police.

Everyone please note that this is one example of white cops shooting a black person that make up those statistics of black deaths by white police.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqkFDyknj0M
(*If you are bothered by excessive swearing do not watch past the initial report that finishes at 3:10 - no swearing prior to this)

Saying that carrying a gun does not always protect you is true, (I also do understand there's a lot of needless killing) but you don't often hear about all the times that guns do prevent crimes and save lives.

With around $150billion being spent annually on the main four illicit drugs marijuana, heroin, cocaine and meth, the contribution to violence including the sub-set of gun violence, will be noticeable.

Alcohol is worse.

Alcohol and illicit drugs
"Alcohol and drugs are implicated in an estimated 80% of offenses leading to incarceration in the United States such as domestic violence, driving while intoxicated, property offenses, drug offenses, and public-order offenses.

Our nation’s prison population has exploded beyond capacity and most inmates are in prison, in large part, because of substance abuse:

80% of offenders abuse drugs or alcohol.
Nearly 50% of jail and prison inmates are clinically addicted.
Approximately 60% of individuals arrested for most types of crimes test positive for illegal drugs at arrest.

The Impact of Alcohol

Because alcohol use is legal and pervasive, it plays a particularly strong role in the relationship to crime and other social problems. Alcohol is a factor in 40% of all violent crimes today, and according to the Department of Justice, 37% of almost 2 million convicted offenders currently in jail, report that they were drinking at the time of their arrest.

Alcohol, more than any illegal drug, was found to be closely associated with violent crimes, including murder, rape, assault, child and spousal abuse. About 3 million violent crimes occur each year in which victims perceive the offender to have been drinking and statistics related to alcohol use by violent offenders generally show that about half of all homicides and assaults are committed when the offender, victim, or both have been drinking. Among violent crimes, with the exception of robberies, the offender is far more likely to have been drinking than under the influence of other drugs."
http://www.ncadd.org/about-addiction/alcohol-drugs-and-crime

Dear Armchair Critic,

You wrote;

“Saying that carrying a gun does not always protect you is true, (I also do understand there's a lot of needless killing) but you don't often hear about all the times that guns do prevent crimes and save lives.”

I'm sorry but how do you arrive at that conclusion from these events?

The police arrived and the brother decapitated his sister in front of them. No shots were fired. He then made for his other sister's room and was then shot after gathering police numbers rushed the home.

The brother had just done time for illegally possessing a weapon. What if this had occurred before the weapon was taken from him? Do you really think the surviving sister would have lived?

Should the sister's all have been armed to 'protect themselves'?

There are other examples to use which would support your contention but I don't think this is the one to do it.

"The police arrived and the brother decapitated his sister in front of them. No shots were fired. He then made for his other sister's room and was then shot after gathering police numbers rushed the home"

As has been claimed on the link, probably no shots were fired until after a murder had been committed because the white police didn't want to be seen as shooters of black man who didn't have a gun.

Rather a tough judgement on the police concerned but had they fired to save the girl's life they would have put themselves in that position.

Dear Is Mise,

What an idiotic thing to say. Do you really think a policeman watching a 5 year old being beheaded in front of him is really going to be primarily thinking how this will play out in the press. I have little doubt it would have been the quickness of the event and probably a degree of shock that would have impeded the response.

You sir do a great disservice to the officer involved if you think they would be that cold blooded and calculating.

Hi Steele Redux,
I was simply countering Suseonline's argument by attempting to show an instance where police saved a life with guns.
I have to apologise actually because I first saw that video a few years back. Sorry Suseonline.
I also didn't want to sound too 'pro guns' (as I have made numerous pro-gun like statements lately) which is why I acknowledged that guns do kill a lot of people needlessly.

If you want me to acknowledge that there may have been a lot more deaths had the offender had a gun, then yes I'll accept that.
Also I missed the part about him just having done time for having illegal possession of a weapon.

Tommy Sotomayer (TNN Raw2 Channel on youtube.com) has a certain style about him.
Its actually ironic that I posted it in response to Suseonline's comment because (I thought about this afterwards) Tommy seems to think the problem in the black community is black women. Anyway...
The sad part is this isn't the only story like this.
I've seen dozens of tragic stories of events in the black community that Tommy has covered just like this one (well not like this one actually this one's particularly shocking).
I'm not sure I can blame the cop for initially being in a state of shock after seeing that - though it actually does bring up another issue which is this instinctive shooting training.

Tommy opposes the Black Lives Matters movement and has a lot of controversial opinions on things relating to the black community.

onthebeach,
Quote "Where standing up to and grappling with offenders is concerned, a seasoned Snr Sgt who would still meet his recruitment physical, told me that he was more concerned about the young male recruits. Feminist education system has sapped their testosterone and some are frightened of their service pistol."

There's a new term going around that springs to mind.

- 'Generation Snowflake'.

http://www.infowars.com/generation-snowflake-safe-spaces-trigger-warnings-and-the-wussification-of-our-young-people/

Steele.

Hows your comprehension?

"AS HAS BEEN CLAIMED ON THE LINK [emphasis added], probably no shots were fired until after a murder had been committed because the white police didn't want to be seen as shooters of a black man who didn't have a gun.

Rather a tough judgement on the police concerned but had they fired to save the girl's life they would have put themselves in that position.

Dear Is Mise,

Read what you wrote mate;

“As has been claimed on the link, probably no shots were fired until after a murder had been committed because the white police didn't want to be seen as shooters of black man who didn't have a gun.”

This is clearly has you taking ownership of the opinion.

And this was not claimed by the presenter at all rather it was just something you read by some anonymous poster in the comments section. Both of you are being idiotic.

Take guns away from police?
Not sure that's a good idea..

Here's overwhelming evidence that liberal ideals like freedom of religion, open borders, immigration etc, don't lead to more liberty.
Unless of course you think living in a police state is a good thing.

http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/dozens-dead-as-vehicle-crashed-into-crowd-in-nice-france/news-story/5a9cca970737255f6fd82a6a4d840946

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_cKC38InfY

To all the libtard left, this moment belongs to you.
May you all be proud of what you stand for and achieve.
And may we all strive to understand the laws of cause and effect as well as you.
C'est la vie

Steele,

"AS HAS BEEN CLAIMED ON THE LINK [emphasis added],...."

It's on the link.

Today's news, more imported intractable problems where the 'diversity-Australia-is-obliged-to-have' tail is allowed to wag the immigration policy dog.

"Four shootings in two weeks and a gang war on the rise: Inside Australia’s most dangerous suburb

A GANG war over drug turf that has been simmering for two decades has erupted into a series of public shootings that has turned Fairfield in western Sydney into Australia’s most dangerous suburb.

Four shootings in the last two weeks alone, with two of them in the same street, have rocked the ethnically diverse suburb which houses Middle Eastern, southeast Asian and African communities 30km west of Sydney’s CBD.

War is believed to have broken out between DLASTHR (The Last Hour) gang and a young breakaway group called The True Kings.

Both are branches of the Assyrian Kings, the gang that assassinated police officer David Carty in a savage 1997 stabbing murder during which gang members sliced off the constable’s nose.
...."
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/true-stories/four-shootings-in-two-weeks-and-a-gang-war-on-the-rise-inside-australias-most-dangerous-suburb/news-story/b5df1aa69cf2f4d1d2c884760e315745

But wait a bit, the apologists would be blaming the 'guns' and 'discrimination' for 'forcing' these misunderstood young men to commit their horrid antisocial crimes, now wouldn't they?