Hey Jay of Melbourne,
Seems to me as though they are all useful idiots being played off against each other and I wonder what the bigger picture is.
Does the ongoing feud between these two groups actually serve to prevent any genuine 'reasonable nationalist pushback'?

Dear Jay,

Thanks again.

I must say I'm impressed.

I must say that to me the solution has to be to improve
the knoweldge of people across the board. But how to make
progress is the difficulty. Unless we can challenge the
next generation to higher standards of ethics - there doesn't
seem to be much hope.

You sound so passionate in what you post. That I admire.

Rallies protests, whatever you call them, are merely vehicles for hotheads to show themselves up as the idiots they are - even though most of us don't give a toss about them or what they are screeching and fighting about. I don't care whether they are left or right; all 'demonstrators' are morons. Nothing was ever gained through rowdy, violent protests

Armchair Critic,
The UPF at this point are not under the thumb of the Liberal party like Party for Freedom and Australian Liberty Alliance, they broke away from Reclaim Australia in May 2015 and ran off all their lunatics and troublemakers over the summer this year. What's left is a much smaller, more dynamic group who can be counted on to turn up to every rally and seminar, they're not Nationalists as we'd define the term but they're slowly coming around to our idea that the Australian radical tradition (the pre Whitlam Labor party, if you will) is the true "Aussie Spirit". That the Chifley (and more broadly the Attlee) model if it had run it's course would have provided a much fairer and more stable society than the one we have now.
Whats' taken we old school Nationalists by surprise is that these guys are so young, mostly under 25 and that we had nothing to do with starting their movements, the UPF are mainly active in Perth and in Melbourne but there are other groups in Canberra, Sydney and Brisbane.
So yes, there is a genuine revival of Nationalism building in Australia led by young men who rather than copying counterproductive sub-cultures from overseas are looking back to Spence, Lang, Chifley, Calwell and the way Australian society was actually structured before multiculturalism.
The power struggle between the mainstream Right and Nationalism is more pressing than the mopping up of what's left of the Socialist and Anarchist groups. there's an anti communist Left faction on our side, an activist Catholic faction and a neutral faction whose goal is to attract members who are primarily opposed to globalisation, regardless of their preferred economic theories.
The best part is that people are now throwing over the internet as the preferred means of communication and holding regular face to face meetings or talking by phone, that's a big step.

"The United Patriots Front and their associates decided to counter protest the Bolton rally in order to draw violent Left wing groups to the event with a view to provoking the self styled "Anti Fascists" and local Muslim gangs into riotous behaviour, thus discrediting the many social justice groups"

This could be re-written as

"'The "Anti Fascists" and their associates decided to protest in order to draw violent United Patriots Front people to the event with a view to provoking them into counter-protest with riotous behaviour, thus discrediting the many conservative groups'.

Both sides are equally responsible, playing a tit-for-tat game. The face masks and violence on both sides give it away. I don't want either in my country.

Why on earth emulate the sunni v shiite violence/counterviolence? (Or catholic v protestant, or any other faction v. faction) You know where that leads!

//Seems to me as though they are all useful idiots being played off against each other and I wonder what the bigger picture is.//

ttbn and Cossomby are right.

They are not useful idiots and there is no bigger picture. They are all useless idiots scrapping in the streets like stray cats. Pathetic savages from the shallow end of the gene pool with nothing better to do than brawl and carry on to get attention.

Hopefully they will soon realise that they are almost universally despised and that nobody will listen to them no matter how shrilly they screech, and crawl back under their rocks.