The sarcastic mockery of Islam by Hassy, and the agreement of Butch, indicates that rather than being opposed to that ridiculous extremism they in fact deep down hold similar ridiculous opinions about people. Anyone who is not them, they disapprove of, and believe society should exact retribution on these inferior beings, just like extreme Islam believes.

nice try Paul, but may I suggest you stick to the facts, and the fact is you know damn well I despise Islam but the reality is, we either make some tough choices now, or leave the mess we have created for future generations.

579, are you referring to the same Singapore that has zero crime and everyone does something or they go without.

People who choose not to contribute should be given the absolute bare minimum and not an iota more.

Even those without work can contribute because what is wrong with being a job seeker, wearing a shirt that says something like, looking for work, Interested, phone ......, then go along and collect the rubbish that nobody collects. They would soon find a job. Many don't want to and we are stupid enough to allow this. Go figure!

But the reality is its far easier to shack up with some bird, pump out a few money makers, then sit back and enjoy their Centrelink funded plasma. In fact, the latest trend is to claim separation and two lots of single parent allowances. It's the latest trend among scum bags.

As I said to Paul, the easiest alternative is to say 'she'll be right mate', we will just keep the gravy train running and let future generations deal with our mess.

Have either of you two ever considered where we might be had the Kevin 07 experiment not occurred?

Abbott's predecessor left a booming economy, then he inherited a basket case, then, when he tried to put the brakes on, he was shunned.

Typical of people whos lives are provided for them, when all they have to do is turn up. Try putting yourselves in the shoes of a creator for once, rather than a taker.

What's this kevin experiment. Explain yourself Butch. Singapore is a dictator govt; and that is what Abbott was all about. That was his hidden agenda. If that is what he was on about why didn't he tell us that. All we got was lies.

Mal doesn't need a senate to ruin his budget it's all in the paper work that we were not informed about. Changes to super are falling apart it affects everybody not the top 4 %.

I don't think Morrison is much of an accountant, seems to make a lot of mistakes. Now he is declaring war, and so is Mal. That must have been the latest pep talk.

Your in for a torrid time, best get used of it.

Butch, I didn't say you don't despise extreme Islam, but that is not to say your view of society is not somewhat similar. They may be more radical and more brutal in their methods, but the final outcome is the same.

Example Hasbeen said " To start with, they (extreme Islam) are not too interested in giving anyone "sit-down" money, so they will probably fix the bludger element, perhaps even by beheading."

You may not agree with their extreme method (beheading) but you agree with the outcome. The perceived bludger element has been dealt with. It is possible to hate people, yet be very much like those people in what you believe.
A good example is, following the American Civil War the biggest haters of black people, were poor whites who were socially and economically like the black people. Or the religious hatred of the past of Protestants, not by atheists, but by Catholics, people with similar views.

Hasbeen,
Just wanted to say that was an awesome comment.
I really hope that the push to limit speech doesn't end up infringing on our sense of humor.

Paul1405,
I don't know about the other guys, but I genuinely don't want to exact retribution on anyone. I'd prefer to avoid dealing with this can of worms issue completely if I could but it's not going to go away, it will only get worse. So there's no point sticking our heads in the sand and avoiding it.

Just remember the reason we put locks on our homes is because we love the people inside, not because we hate everyone else.
Its not about racism or religion or anything else.
Its simply because I want my country to be the best it can be for the people who reside in it.

Rehctub,
A lot of people aren't turning up for life at all, that's part of the problem.
Maybe education isn't as good as they portray it to be, if it was people wouldn't see easily fall between the cracks in life.
I blame the system just as much as the people, after all they are just products of that system.

One thing I forgot and wanted to mention, was the idea of particular issues that democracy and equality cannot fix.
It'd be a good title for an forum topic.
For example democracy can't fix or deal with the problem of Islamic Extremism because we have freedom of religion.
We need to have a good, close look at all of the issues where democracy works against us and leaves our hands tied to deal with a particular social or national issue.