Butch talks the liberal faction of conservatism, he is all heart.

Malcolm has been ruled by the conservatives to give millionares a tax break. That alone will give Labor the upper hand. He has not followed his own concience.

Lets call an election now, and put an end to conservatism in the Liberal ranks. They need flushing out, and a lesson on how to be a liberal govt;

As usual you are all arguing around the wrong problems.
Worry about 25% company tax and its 10 year cost.
There is every likelihood there will be no profit to tax if it keeps
going the way it is with politicians and economists tightening their blindfolds.

The dogs are barking it in the streets that there is a financial crash
on the way and both parties are celebrating how loverly it will all be
if only you mugs will vote for us.
We will make houses more affordable we will give you speed of light
broadband, we will ensure you have prosperous retirement, every young
person will have a job, we will build in Adelaide 12 submarines,
does not matter if we can't refuel them, we will perform miracles
complete with bread and circuses if and only if you vote for us !

Bazz this not the time for conspiracy theories.

Our economy is growing, and at its best ever GDP. So much for the mining boom, it was a boom in quantity not revenue. Singapore got most of it.

To give 17,000 $ to a millionaire is to pay for his weekends cognac.

That is a directive from the far right faction.

"To give 17,000 $ to a millionaire is to pay for his weekends cognac."

Yeah, earners over 180000 got a temporary tax levied on them that is now expired, so that makes it a tax cut?

On ABC straight after the budget reply speech, Shorten squirmed around on this and showed his true dodgy colours when pressed, deflecting any attempt to have him acknowledge it.

The budget reply speech was perfect, but he's still Billy "Shonk" Shorten.

579;
Conspiracy theories ? What Conspiracy theories ?

Are you suggesting a conspiracy between Labour & Liberal ?
Goodness me, they are too bound up in their own greatness to do that.
No it is not a conspiracy it is just a don't won't to know attitude.
If you could pin them down I think it would just be a "Too hard don't know what to do ".

I tried to pin down my MHR on how they would refuel the 12 submarines
in the even of a major refinery accident or hostile activity and it
was plain that he just could not see it ever happening that there
would be no diesel fuel available. It was incomprehensible.
To quote, "We have good commercial arrangements !". Duuhh !

He did admit that cabinet had discussed a smaller number of nuclear
powered submarines but dismissed it.

A few thoughts that might be worth discussing
at some time...

It appears that in reading many comments on social media
that people are sick of the political establishment -
including the press. When the press slams politicians
it only heightens the "us" and "them" dynamic.
Hence Donald Trump's popularity in the United States.

I'm beginning to wonder - Is it possible to be a conservative
or a progressive, and intellectually honest?

Some people obviously feel that it's not and judge politicians
according to their own personal political agenda
and Party that they support.

The reality however is somewhat different. We've all met
politicians that we strongly disagree with, but who use data and
honest arguments to support their perspectives. Therefore I find
that politicians who merely attack the "other side" and offer
nothing substantial in its place are really not worth supporting.
I guess that also makes me a member of the people who are sick
of labels (Right wing, Leftie, et cetera), and the political
establishment .