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Which side are you on? Part 2

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Hey Mr Opinion,
I should've been clearer when I said -

"Who really cares anyway?
Don't you all realise China OWNS everything and soon and we will be tenants in our own country whether we like it or not."

Its not that I don't care, it's more of "What the hell are we going to do about it?"

Our countries mostly gone now, and most people (especially the young) don't even realise its happened.
They are all expecting some easy free ride.. Fools.
And we are so stupid we give it to them.

Should I throw my hands in the air and run around screaming like a madman?
Should I look for someone to blame and if so do I look in the mirror for being so naive in the past?
Do I call treason on our nations leaders past and present?
Whats the point?
The Chinese aren't going to sell any of it back.
And we aren't in a position economically to buy it back even if they were selling.
Our country is slowly dying, what are we supposed to do when our own leaders constantly scream foreign investment?
- Short for "Lets take some of the Australian peoples stuff to cash converters"
And we're broke and uncompetitive.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 18 April 2016 10:38:23 AM
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Dear Armchair Critic,

It's sad, isn't it?

Over the past three decades Australians have been sold out to China by its greedy and stupid politicians and business leaders who thought they could negotiate with China as if they were on equal terms with the Chinese.

All they have achieved is to paint Australia into a corner. Two main reasons: (1) the Australian economy is now locked in with the Chinese economy thus allowing China to control the Australian economy from Beijing; and (2) Chinese make up a large minority of voters in Australia allowing them to cast a deciding vote in a federal election. The result is neither Labor nor the LNP can now afford to upset the Chinese in China or Australia. It would be political suicide.

I think Australia is just going to have to work out how to manage being a lackey of China from here on in. And I think we have only seen the tip of the iceberg of Chinese migration to Australia. I think we can expect to see the Chinese population in Australia grow by 50 million over the next twenty years. I also believe that with this about 75% of industry, real estate, primary production and business will be in the hands of the Chinese. And I would not be surprised if Beijing demands that Canberra hand over the Australian Defence Forces to the Chinese Peoples Liberation Army.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Monday, 18 April 2016 11:41:11 AM
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This is why I said that Australia should stay neutral in the South China Sea issue, its not because I don't believe in International Law but more that I don't wish to stir the new landlords up.
And also I get that part of their expansion is a reaction to Americas aggressive posturing or arming up China's neighbours.

This is also why I've made comments lately saying 'we're a nation of complete idiots and we've let this 'lucky country' we had slip right through our fingers and its gone now'.

If you look at the big picture its sad, and shameful.
How stupid we were, and still are.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 18 April 2016 12:08:00 PM
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Dear Armchair Critic,

Australia does not have an option about staying neutral to the South China Sea conflict. I've given my reasons several times elsewhere so I'm not going to keep repeating them.

I think that Turnbull has already demonstrated to the US that he is not willing to support the US endeavour against China in the dispute. Simple reason I think is that he does not want to turn the Chinese voters against the Liberal Party at this year's federal election, which would result in losing government.

Have a look at this 2011 ABS demographic of Sydney to get an idea of how important the Chinese vote will be at the federal election:

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/hurstville-sydneys-real-chinatown-20150218-13ia0l.html

As you can see Chinese voters predominate in a lot of areas, especially Hurstville, Epping, Cabramatta, etc. They can knock a lot of Liberal MPs off their seats if the Turnbull government puts them offside by attacking their ancestral homeland. You've probably noticed that Labor has been silent on the conflict. I think because they don't want to upset the Chinese vote as well and run the risk of forfeiting seats in the Chinese dominated electorates.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Monday, 18 April 2016 12:36:12 PM
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Someone suggested that China would ignore UN resolutions.
No they won't because there won't be any to ignore.
China has the veto at the UN !
Mr Opinion, you should add Hornsby to your list.
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 18 April 2016 5:59:50 PM
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Mr 0,

"China has made it quite clear that it will not abide with International Law unless the decision favours the Chinese position. China has said it will not comply with any ruling that is contrary to its annexation of the South China Sea and it is ready to fight a war if does not get its way in the South China Sea."
So why do you still regard me as in the pro-China camp?

"Your comments on Israel and the Korean War in your last post show that you have a very odd way of constructing history."
But do you have any objective criticism of them?

"And 'Multiculturalism is about culture .....' Really! This shows that you know even less about anthropology and sociology than you do about history."
No, it shows that unlike you, I know what multiculturalism is!

I see you're still under the illusion that Chinese ancestry will somehow affect people's opinion of which side to support. Do you think the same applies to those with ancestors on the other side of the dispute?

War against China would be futile and universally unpopular. But the international community can react against Chinese aggression without going to war. And you're jumping the gun: we don't even know what the court's decision will be.

What do you have against remaining on the side of international law? You clearly dislike my opinion, but so far the only reason you've stated for your objection is that it came from an engineer!

BTW your demographic projection is astounding. What do you think Australia's population will be in 2050?

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Paul1405,

"As a pacifists I see all wars as unjustified and crazy,"
Even WW2?
Are you French? :-)

What is your view about participating in economic sanctions against those who violate international law?
Posted by Aidan, Monday, 18 April 2016 9:00:05 PM
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