I've come across an interesting article
by Jason Thomas on what's the fastest
growing religion in Australia.

It makes for interesting reading.

According to the 2010 census the Muslim population
of Australia was listed at 2.4 per cent.

The latest census figures show that Hinduism is the
fastest growing religion here which coincides with
the growth in the number of Australians born in India.

Perhaps this might affect some misconceptions
people have?

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/06/25/whats-fastest-growing-religion-australia

"Perhaps this might affect some misconceptions people have?"

What misconceptions? I suspect you mean the 'misconception' that Islam is a problem but it'd probably good if you stated it outright.

I'd also point out the 'lies, damned lies" aspect of the analysis.

Sure Hinduism grew by a higher percentage than other religions but in absolute numbers of extra adherents it is dwarfed by Christianity and atheism. eg Christian adherents rose by 3.7% whereas Hindus rose by 86%. But 3.7% of 13 million is a much bigger number than 86% of 150000.

You always need to be careful about these things. When there is an agenda, the data can be tortured to confess to anything the author wants.

yes its incredible Foxy that such a tiny percentage of the population can cause so much crime, hatred and disharmony. Goes to show we need to not stop further Islamic immigration. It is a pity for peace loving Muslims however as shown in Europe that the more muslims the more terrorism and crime.

Dear MHaze,

The "misconceptions referred to in my earlier
post was the fact that Muslims (according to
the last census of the Australian Bureau of
Statistics) make up 2.4 percent of our population
and not the 18 per cent that some believe.

Dear runner,

It is a complex issue of the causes of violence in
Europe. By all means I agree with you that we
should discuss the causes in full.
Good advice.

N.S.W does not have a Hindu Crime squad but it has a Muslim Crime squad. Why? Because Hindu's do not pose a greater problem to the security of Australians than the general population. We are not at war with Hindu societies anywhere in the World. Their religion is not an exclusive territorial / political based ideology as is Islam.

//N.S.W does not have a Hindu Crime squad but it has a Muslim Crime squad.//

No it doesn't. You're making up (or parroting) stories again, Josephus. Why? Because you don't know any better, and apparently lack the capacity and/or will to learn any better.

//We are not at war with Hindu societies anywhere in the World.//

Well, no... we're not at war with anybody. I think that's a good thing, although I'm sure it bothers some of our more belligerent posters who always seem to be looking for the next war to pick (presumably secure in the knowledge that they're too old to be called up and that it will be other people's children fighting their jihad for them).

//Their religion is not an exclusive territorial / political based ideology as is Islam.//

I'm glad to to see that you've written that Islam, like Hinduism, is not a territorial/political ideology. Although I'm not sure that's what you actually meant to say. Perhaps you should study more English before you have to measure your mouth to see if your other foot will fit in it.

I think this is a listing of NSW Police special squads http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/about_us/structure/operations_command/state_crime_command I saw reference elsewhere to an Asian squad as well but can't track any official reference to it down.

The point becomes an issue of how much a Middle Eastern Crime Squad ties to the religion and how much to some specific issues with crime from that grouping.

R0bert

More than 70,000 people or 0.37% are Jedi according to the Australian 2001 census. This cult has a militaristic creed and supernatural powers. We should all be very afraid. ;-)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_census_phenomenon

Tom W.

//The point becomes an issue of how much a Middle Eastern Crime Squad ties to the religion//

The religion? If the Middle Eastern Crime Squad are tracking Coptic criminals and Muslim Criminals, which one is 'the' religion?

Toni Lavis, Do you have any knowledge of the activities of Muslim youth in South Western Sydney that causes Police to appoint a special squad? Do not continue to show your ignorance of the facts. What religion is being monitored by National security in Australia? Certainly not Hindu, or Coptic.

Toni,

I think the point Josephus was making, which you so magnificently (and deliberately?) failed to see, is that Hinduism, while growing at a faster rate than Islam in Australia (for the time being) is of no concern because it is not an existential threat to either other Australians individually or the society generally, whereas Islam (or more precisely Islamism) is both a threat to individual Australians and a direct opponent to our way of life and culture.

//More than 70,000 people or 0.37% are Jedi according to the Australian 2001 census. This cult has a militaristic creed and supernatural powers.//

Bugger off, the Jedi are peaceful. You're thinking of the Sith. It's a myth that there are only two of us.

Soon the Sith shall have their revenge... on the conservatives. We need the Jedi; they're the yin to our yang. But tories are just little jumped-up wannabes trying to create their own evil empire without our cool red lightsabers or force powers. They shall be dealt with mercilessly.

Fellow Imperial Citizens, please stand for our Galactic Anthem:

http://tinyurl.com/8jkxrwb

//Islam (or more precisely Islamism) is both a threat to individual Australians and a direct opponent to our way of life and culture.//

About as much of threat as Jedi is...

Don't sweat it dude. The Sith have your back, and we have cool red lightsabers.

I'm not worried about the Jedi....well only those who've gone over to the Dark Side ie the ALP.

Even they aren't that much of a worry since they are constantly sithed - sorry, my typing fingers have a lisp.

//I'm not worried about the Jedi//

Well, why would you be? That'd be like worrying about the threat of Muslim terrorism. Let's face it, you've got about as much chance of being slain by an actual lightsaber as you do of being killed by an Islamic terrorist.

I'm more worried about sharks, and they can't even use the force.

The Hindu religion is a peaceful religion and
as it is the fastest growing religion in Australia
the increase in numbers works in our favour.

I very much doubt though that the criminals in NSW do what
they do - because of any religion. They are criminals
because to them crime pays.

Former police officer Tim Priest dobbed in both the
NSW police and the legal system for letting these
criminals off so lightly. He was railroaded out of the
force. A high price to pay for his whistle-blowing.
He said that the force needed more funding and
the right leadership.

Hinduism and Terror
http://www.hudson.org/research/4575-hinduism-and-terror

Fox,

Do you ever bother to acquaint yourself with the informed assessments and opinions of former NSW detective Tim Priest? Or do you just latch onto a few words and imply that your views are supported when in fact the very opposite is likely the case?

The rise of Middle Eastern crime in Australia
http://www.australian-news.net/Tim_Priest.htm

otb,

Of course I am aware of the views of Tim Priest
and am familiar with the link you've cited.
That's precisely why I cited the man. Did you
read the entire link? The references to the
police and the legal system in NSW are quite
clear. Why do you suppose he was railroaded
from the police force?

otb,

The following link may clarify things for you:

http://newhollandpublishers.com/us/131_tim-priest

His book - "On Deadly Ground" - would be worth a read.

Toni,
I hope you're sitting down when you read this, but lightsabers aren't real. Yes yes I know you've seen them on the TV but that's just pretend.

On the other hand when you see acts of terrorism perpetrated by those of a certain faith on the TV, that's NOT pretend.

So it makes sense to be unconcerned about one and somewhat concerned about the other...I'll leave you work out which is which.

Toni and Foxy, im not sure what planet you're on, but here on earth pretty much all, if not all, terrorists attacks are driven by religion/faith call it what you like.

The standard of immigrant has servilely declined over the past couple of decades as we now have so many who come here for the benefits we so stupidly provide. The ironic part is that's our future pensions, the baby boomers and many to follow who are going to miss out.

Utter ridiculousness.

Dear rehctub,

Please tell us what terrorist attacks you're referring
to here in Australia and what evidence do you have that
there were based on religion?

Thank You.

I forgot to add - as Hinduism is the fastest
growing religion in Australia - surely that will work
in our favour in the future?

Also - how do you know what calibre of people are
the recent migrants? And how do you know that they
are coming here just to misuse the system?

Did any previous migrants mis-use the system?

I don't thin that social services are a recent
invention.

Dear rehctub,

I am truly amazed at your baseless arguments against
recent migrants.

The following link explains why:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-21/carvalho-why-migrants-may-be-our-greatest-economic-asset/6409042

Our population is aging we need migrants. And guess who's
going to look after you in your old age?

Foxy,

Lyndt Café, terrorist attack by a well known Muslim and consequent murder of an innocent person.

Murder of Curtis Cheng by a previously unknown Muslim who, we were told, had just left the local mosque, before he cowardly murdered a defenceless man and did so with malice aforethought.

//I hope you're sitting down when you read this, but lightsabers aren't real... So it makes sense to be unconcerned about one and somewhat concerned about the other.//

No, lightsabers aren't real. But even an imperfect fake can provide a good facsimile. At the moment toy shops and online toy shops for geeks are bursting at the seams with unreal lightsabers. They light up (like a 'real' lightsaber), they hum and buzz (like a 'real' lightsaber) and if you put your mind to it, you could kill a man with one (like a 'real' lightsaber). These days, about the only thing they can't do is block 'real' blaster/bowcaster bolts, which is alright because there are no 'real' blasters or bowcasters.

Ever seen a 'Klingon' bat'leth? They're not 'real', but you could kill somebody quite easily with a replica bat'leth.

I would say that it does make sense to be more concerned about one and less concerned about the other: terrorist attacks seem to occur in cities, whereas every second kid in my one-horse town has his own lightsaber. Frankly, I think that - unlikely as it is - it is vastly more likely I'll be accidentally stabbed in the eye by some kid waving his lightsaber about willy-nilly, contract MRSA/VRSA and die than it is that I'll be shot or blown up by a terrorist.

But maybe I should only be worried about the likelihood of death from things that are really real, like black holes, gamma ray bursts and massive meteorite impacts.

I'm more worried about sharks, which stand a much better chance of killing me than lightsabers, terrorists, and gamma ray bursts put together. I'm a lot more worried about horses, which are far more likely to kill me than all the deadly sharks, spiders, snakes and jellyfish we have in Australia.

And I'm actually concerned about the things which are likely to kill me: cancer, cardiovascular disease, vehicular accident etc. My chances of being killed by a terrorist are infinitesimally minute... why lose any sleep over it?

Dear Is Mise,

The Lindt Café shooting in Sydney - experts
have stated was as a result of mental illness -
not terrorism.

As for Curtis Cheng? It was a payback to the
police Crime Squad in the area.

Not that there's any excuse for these acts.

Well Foxy, you take the cake, when the chips are down, and you're backed into a corner, you pull out the old mental illness card as it works every time. Not!

Of cause you would have us believe that his mental health issues made him become radicalized. It was the cause of many of the crimes he was charged for or convicted of, it even drove him to place the ISIS flag in the window. Hell, it even gave him a reason not to work and feed off the public tit.

Yep, good old mental health wins over the do-gooders every time. Sorry Foxy, but I am not as sympathetic towards mental health as you my dear, as many so called mental health cases simply need a good old dose of HTF up.

As for cases of terrorism in Australia being linked to religion, as mentioned this case of Man Mannis, the lunatic who the limp wristed legal system (all paid for by the good old Ozzie tax payer of cause) allowed this grub to be free to reoffend as often as he liked, despite best efforts from the police.

Then there is the case of Curtis Chann, as also mentioned whereby the good old tax payer once again provided the secrete hiding place for this young thug to become radicalized.

Of cause there are also the dozens or so of failed terror plots that our police have stopped, all linked to religion.

Two words to you Foxy my dear. WAKE UP!

Foxy, as for previous migrants.

Chinese, Italian and Greek families, who made up the bulk of the earlier migrants, 50's & 60's were very proud, hard working families and their kids usually worked every morning before school and most weekends as their parents were usually such hard workers and often the families would band together to get the job done. Very rarely would the kids of these races sit idol and raw the dole as their parents would have disowned them. Its also the reason so many own such large property portfolios.

Then along came the others, Samoans, Muslims etc, many of whom have never worked a single day since arriving and in fact have generations of non working extended families, One, because they are lazy, and Two, because our limp wristed governments are too stupid to prevent it from happening. In fact they encouraged it with the introduction of the likes of the baby bonus, where not only did they not have to work, but also got paid to populate us with serial bludgers.

You really need to remove your do-gooder hat and get out more Foxy and See what the real world is like my dear.

As for who is going to be paying for my retirement, well, in my case, myself, because I have worked my entire life and even when I have two years off after my dad died, I didn't drain the public kitty.

As for others less fortunate, most certainly not the 1200 free loaders you have laid the welcome mat out for. But don't worry, they will be fine, we will just rob our own people and make them work harder and longer to support these invitees.

This country has gone to the sh1tter Foxy and the likes of you have encouraged it.

Dear rehctub,

What planet do I come from?

I would have thought that was rather obvious.
It's a planet whose tapestry I love. Because
it doesn't matter where you come from, being
an Australian for me means wanting to be
"mates" with everyone - harbouring no ill-will
towards others, wanting to live in peace and harmony
(with each other and nature) to be free and
independent, a helping hand when needed, and
treating everyone fairly.

I take people as I find them -
and I don't make judgements about people ahead of
time. Because that does not allow for individual
differences.

As for the Lindt Café incident,
and the Curtis Cheng incident - I was merely stating
what the experts in the various media articles have
stated.

Still, there's always people who will disagree with
what they read - That one of the problems with
objectivity. Different people view things differently.
from all walks of life depending on their values,
past experiences, and so on.

Let me ask you a question. If you saw a Muslim being
attacked in the street would you come to their aid?
Or walk past.?

What planet could you be assigned to - judging by
your actions then? That is if you were to walk past?

Dear rehctub,

You say that the country has gone to the "shytter"
and that the likes of me have encouraged it?

Really - how?

People like me eh?

Do you mean people like Victor Chang?
People like the nurses, doctors, scientists, teachers,
innovators, Business owners, who have all contributed
to enriching
this country and continue to do so. Over the decades
this country has changed greatly that's true. However
it's all a question of your perspective. To me and the
Australians I know - the future looks bright indeed.
As our Prime Minister stated - "there's not a more
exciting time to be in, in Australia, then the present. "

Foxy... Because
it doesn't matter where you come from, being
an Australian for me means wanting to be
"mates" with everyone - harbouring no ill-will
towards others, wanting to live in peace and harmony
(with each other and nature)

Pretty much the exact opposite to many Muslims I would suggest. I say this because if Islam ever has it way and gains a strong hold here, when push comes to shove most Muslims will choose them against us.

So go ahead and support them Foxy, but don't cry wolf if one of your loved ones is caught up in terrorism.

As for assisting a Muslim in trouble, I would assist anyone in need provided they had not provoked the attack, and dressing in full Muslim clad, citing ISIS is one such example so in that case I would walk past, taking a very wide birth at that.

You see people like yourself, and our governments like to take a re-active approach to life, disregarding the overwhelming evidence of Muslims causing havoc wherever they go and, considering even so called moderate Muslims, (a term I don't support) One, cant tell the difference and Two, are powerless to stop those from within becoming radicalized. Of cause rather than heed the warnings, our limp wristed governments encourage the practice by providing secrete hiding places for them and continually allowing them to join our peace loving nation. How dumb is that?

Now we have one talented young man dead and two NZ thugs about to no doubt test our new 'one punch laws', no doubt costing millions of tax payer dollars by way of legal aid. Further evidence of the decline in immigration invitees I would suggest Foxy. Lets just hope that if they do go to gaol for a long stretch, that they do so on New Zealand's crime budget, not ours. The first course of action from our government should be to immediately deport them, but don't hold your breath as gay marriage is of more importance to them. Go figure!

//but I am not as sympathetic towards mental health as you my dear, as many so called mental health cases simply need a good old dose of HTF up.//

Yeah, just like cancer patients and diabetics. They're not real diseases, people just need to toughen up a bit.

You are complete dick, rechtub. Mental illnesses are serious diseases, sometimes terminal.

Fcuk you and the horse you rode in upon you nasty little cnut.

No mate not a horse, a Harley fat Boy for me.

Mental illness is a real issue but its also used broadly as a 'cop out'. As for cancer patients I have nothing but sympathy for them, apart from those who have brought the problem on themselves because non of us can legislate against stupidity can we Toni.

Nice rant by the way, amolst lokos lkie in hvae hit a nverve tehre mtae.

Dear rechtub,

Those who murder and kill people - of whatever
ethnic background should pay the price
according to our laws accordingly. That's not
brain surgery as Suse has pointed out
and most intelligent Australians
recognise this fact.

As for your on -going arguments about migrants
not enriching our society?

The facts are that -
In the second half of the twentieth century
the population of Australia was made up of approx.
ten per cent migrants and 90 per cent locals.

More than 60 per cent of migrant children finished
higher education and contributed to the growth
and enrichment of this nation (1940s - 1970s).
That's not even counting the foreign students
who studied here and many stayed on and
contributed. And still do.

I was the only girl in my street to not only finish
high school but university as well.

Girls were expected
(according to the local customs of the time)
to marry - so education for
girls was considered unimportant. Their husbands would
provide. Business courses, hairdressing, bank tellers,
dental assistants, retail, beauty salons, were the
popular professions considered suitable for the
Australian woman, at that time, until she married.

I remember when I graduated from university - people asking
me - "Don't you want to get married dear?"

So, who contributed most to the growth of this nation?
Take a look around you today - what kind of people
do you see employed and contributing to society
today? whether its as teachers, doctors, nurses,
shop-owners, taxi and bus drivers, et cetera?

If we want more economic growth - we need more, not less
migrants.

I forgot to add that in my classes at university most of the
lecturers were from overseas.

I would say that Germany would be wishing that the Hindus were the fastest growing people group at the moment. Certainly women would be mildly safer. Mind you India has an atrocious record with rape, burning of wives after husbands die and treating the untouchables as skum. Hinduism is really quite perverse. Thousands have died of starvation while nice fat cows walk around as deity.

Foxy it would seem cannot accept that the 140+ Australian residents fighting now in Syria pose a threat to Australia on return - they are all suffering from mental illness; therefore should be allowed to run free in our society on return.

Man Monnis was a mental case according to Foxy and Toni so he needed medical attention not imprisonment. All murderers are deranged mentally that is why they kill; take Hitler for example. He believed that Germans had evolved intellectually above other races so lesser persons ought to be removed from the Earth to make way for the superior race.

//amolst lokos lkie in hvae hit a nverve tehre mtae.//

Awesome spelling there retard.

My cousin committed suicide after a long battle with depression. But you probably think that's hilarious because you are a miserable failure as a human being who derives enormous pleasure from the misfortunes of others.

What the hell is wrong with you to give you such a profound lack of empathy? Were you traumatised in the past, or are you just a sociopath?

Dear Josephus,

1) Those fighting overseas will not be able to return
home.

2) It's the experts who agree that the Lindt Café
atrocities were as a result of mental illness.

3) As for Hitler? - A short dark man who believed that
the tall, blond, blue-eyed "Aryan" race was
infinitely superior to all others, destined to rule
the world and had to maintain its facial purity, in
spite of the fact that there is no such things as an
"Aryan" race.

Hitler's theories fired Germany with a sense of national
identity - and led to concentration camps, gas chambers,
and a global war.

Ironically, the American forces that helped destroy
Nazi Germany fought Hitler with a racially segregated
army, and fed Germany prisoners of war in canteens where
black American soldiers were refused service.

Today racist ideology is considered so disreputable that
few people or governments, whatever their private
attitudes, dare to openly endorse a racist attitude.

Yet racism, often subtle in form, is
still commonplace in the modern world.

//No mate not a horse, a Harley fat Boy for me.//

Faggot.

Foxy you have emphasized race as the problem, it is a non issue as ISIS is killing hundreds of Arabic Christians and Jews. Arab Sunni Muslims living in Australia are here to capture territory for Allah, and by entering our legal and welfare services and security and defense forces.

Dear Josephus,

How many Arab Sunnis do you know and what they
are planning to do in this country?
Kindly give us some evidence to back your claims.

//Arab Sunni Muslims living in Australia are here to capture territory for Allah//

But the Shi'ites are OK? Put a sock in it, you clown. There's enough sectarian violence in the world without you fanning the flames.

Gee Toni, must have been a big nerve there mate, feel free to waffle on there mate.

I do feel sorry for people who take what many consider to be the easy way out, the bit that gets me though are those who make an attempt.
Its not rocket science, just Attention seekers.

Foxy, while you're in the research mood, perhaps you can look up what percentage of working age Samoans, Lebs and Muslims who live here actually work. Chances are our PC ruled governments wont release that info but at least you can try.

//My cousin committed suicide after a long battle with depression. But you probably think that's hilarious because you are a miserable failure as a human being who derives enormous pleasure from the misfortunes of others.//

//Gee Toni, must have been a big nerve there mate, feel free to waffle on there mate.//

Obvious troll is obvious.

Strangely enough Foxy, Hitler's evil ideology is most like that of Islam. Whether it is ISIS, Boko Haram, the Taliban or Hamas they are all prepared to kill the infidel. Its amazing how those holding to regressive theology make these barbarians the victims. Next thing you will be telling us that the British were racist for not inviting the Nazis to immigrate there.

Dear runner,

You know that's not what I'm saying at all.

I'm trying to be serious about serious issues.
We should not use sweeping statements or get
emotional. The issues are too serious for that.

Dear Rehctub,

I'll try to get some stats for you. Although you could
Google the Australian Bureau of Statistics yourself.
The last census should have them.

You do realise that not every nationality that you
mentioned are Muslims. There are many Lebanese
who are Christians.

' We should not use sweeping statements or get emotional. The issues are too serious for that. '

May be we should be getting emotional Foxy. Just because its not your daughter or niece does not mean it won't be (God forbid). Its amazing how totally emotional you Susie, Poirot etc were about Abbotts so called sexism. I seem to remember you cheering Gillards rant. When it comes to Arab muslims raping and molesting multitudes of girls you say we should not be emotional. Something seriously wrong with your thinking Foxy. Sides are still by far more important to you than facts.

//Sides are still by far more important to you than facts.//

I find it interesting - and troubling - that you won't castigate rechtub for his flippant and disgusting comments about mental illness and suicide.

Now, what was it you were saying about sides being more important than facts?

Runner I see you are getting hysterical again.
If you can't see the difference between sexist rants by politicians, and the sexual assault of girls then there is no hope for you.

Sexual assault is a criminal offense and I am sure the perpetrators of the sexual assaults you delight in repeatedly bringing up will be hunted down and punished, whatever religion or race they come from. No one you mentioned from this forum would be upset about that.

How do you know they were all Arab Muslim 'rapists' anyway? I couldn't find that information on any of the news sites? They haven't even found all the perpetrators yet. Were all the women raped?
Did you make all that up (again) for your own sick purposes?

Dear runner,

I'm not going to argue with your "logic."

Regarding my, Suse's, and Poirot's past
posts - they need to be read in the
context in which they were written. I have
no intention of responding to your harping back to past
arguments. It rarely achieves anything
productive. We'll only end up going round in
circles.

Dear rehctub,

According to Wikipedia - Lebanese people have been
in this country for more than two centuries.
They are one of the older established minorities,
like the Greeks, Italians, and Germans.
According to the Census Lebanese men and women were
nationally over represented as - self-employed or
as employers. They own Restaurants, groceries, Middle-Eastern
shops.

By the way their religion varies from Marionite Catholics,
and Greek Orthodox, to Muslim.(small percentage).

According to the Department of Social Services -
Samoan participation rate in the labour force was 63.5 per
cent and the unemployment rate was 10.2 per cent.

Whereas for Australians the employment rate was 65 per cent
and the unemployment rate was 5.6 per cent.

The Muslim employment rate was given (2006 Census) as
being 52 per cent, compared to Australia's at 65 per cent.
The explanation given was that Australian Muslims face
discrimination in employment.(According to the Parliament
of Australia fact-sheet).

Ifran Yusuf on the conflict between Sunni and Shiites Muslims in Australia.
http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/09/01/how-and-why-shiites-are-sidelined-from-australian-public-life/

Dear Josephus,

Thank you so much for the link on Sunnis and Shias
and their differences. Knowing very little about
either your link was very educational. We need
more like it on this forum.

Again - Thank You.

Yes, an informative link Josephus.
It certainly seems these 2 Muslim groups have a long history of conflict, a bit like the Protestants and the Catholics...

>>I am sure the perpetrators of the sexual assaults you delight in repeatedly bringing up will be hunted down and punished, <<

Lucky Australia! This is hardly going to happen with the one thousand “perpetrators (of North African/Arab appearance) of sexual assaults” in Cologne on New Years Eve (see my link above) because it is impossibile for technical reasons: After in 2015 Germany has been invaded by a million refugees and others - the one thousand obviously belonging to the “others” - it is technically almost impossible to find out about their identities, how they suddenly appeared in Cologne, etc. So the police is begging the population to hand in smartphone recordings of New Years Eve celebrations that might contain some information.

Again, lucky Australia, lucky me that my daughter lives in Melbourne.

The perpetrators of these sexual assaults won't be hunted down or sanctioned in the slightest. The German police aren't even trying to find out who they were despite CCTV being available and over 100 victim reports. The last thing the German authorities want is to acknowledge that their immigration policies might not be all that safe for the women already there.

So the response has been to tell the victims to wear more 'appropriate clothing', travel in groups and not go into areas where they might come across some of the new arrivals. German women will just have to get used to the new societal paradigms it would seem.

Other Europeans have already been down that road. There are parts of France where non-muslim women walked veiled because its easier than putting up with the harassment by those of a certain religion.

And Swedish women have had to learn what its like to go from a country where rape was almost unheard of to being the rape capital of the western world.

But that's a small price to pay for the multicultural utopia.

Welcome to the world of dhimmitude. Get used to it because its coming to a street near you.

Thankfully we in Australia are a long way behind the Europeans in this societal decline mainly because we had a politician (whose name can't be mentioned because it gives some heart palpitations) who saw what was coming down the pike and put a stop to it. But its temporary because we have plenty of politicians and their followers who prefer the warm inner-glow to hard headed defence of western civilisation.

Dear oh dear Toni, you cant throw mud at someone then cry wolf when they throw it back mate.

Unlike you, I don't resort to personal insults, but when abused as was the case, I can retaliate if I wish. So if you're felling good enough, have a go mate. Sticks and stones!

As for a failure of a human being, Im not one of those who has to line up at Centrelink to justify their existence mate, but I am one who pays more in tax than many earn so I do have a real say in how our taxes are wasted mate, and wasted they are.

Have a nice day mate. Cheers!

Foxy, thanks for the info, but do you honestly believe it?

>> The German police aren't even trying to find out who they were despite CCTV being available and over 100 victim reports.<<

I live in Cologne.
One of the lessons the police is drawing from this is the need to reinforce the CCTV surveillance of the Bahnhofsvorplatz for the coming Carnival. So CCTV were apparently not sufficient to identify the one thousand perpetrators in the darkness of that night.

I think to blame the police for what is a consequence (albeit unintended) of politics at the highest levels is the new trick (from the Minister of the Interior Thomas de Mazière?). Besides, similar things, although at lower levels, happened also in Hamburg, Stutgart, Düsseldorf. Thus the police in at least four cities would have to have failed at the same time.

Dear rehctub,

It's not a question of what I believe.
The information is taken from official
government sources - hence we can merely
accept it.

For e this discussion has now run its course.
I'd like to Thank everyone who contributed.

George,

I wasn't blaming the police as such. They are merely agents of the government and are required to follow public policy either because their jobs are dependent on not upsetting the ruling parties or because they are appointees of the ruling party and agree with its aims. We've had many examples of the same thing here where the police tow the government line either by rushing to absolve religion in clearly terrorist acts or, in one celebrated case in Victoria, tampering with the data to hide the prevalence in the crime statistics of one ethnic group.

According to reports "The attackers were described as North African and Arab appearance by the police. The Mayor has said that not all of the attackers were newly-arrived refugees and had already been known to the police." The police seem to know quite a bit about the assailants but nothing will happen. It happens all over and as you say in other German towns as well. But the authorities are scared both of the muslims themselves and what would happen if there were mass arrests but also scared of revealing the full extent of the danger faced by the society from this alien invasion. It is said that the authorities sought to suppress news of the assaults and that it was only the growing outrage in social media that forced them to admit what they wanted to hide.

Again we see this all over most recently with the beheading in Sweden.

Can you have thousands of young men from a primitive culture that regards women as possessions (and dumps you in loveless marriages to cousins you never previously knew) living alongside modern western women? Not for long.

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Speaking of police, I saw the Giuliani interview recently concerning the muslim reaction to 9/11. The police were concerned about possible attacks on the muslim community in NewYork and sent out a force to protect them. They finally returned saying they didn't need protection and instead were celebrating the victory for Islam. Model citizens these guys.

mhaze,

I did not want to disagree with most of what you wrote, although I think the situation is more complicated, less black and white, at least here in Germany. If you can read German, here is for instance the response of Rainer Wendt, President of the Police Union (Polizeigewerkschaft), to the Minister’s (and your ?) criticism of the Cologne police: http://www.hr-online.de/website/radio/hr-info/index.jsp?rubrik=47572&key=standard_document_58650582 .

However, I agree with Foxy that it is best to close this thread since these things apparently do not (yet?) concern lucky Australia.

Foxy,
I note no one is talking about Hindus in Australia, there is only one religion that poses a social problem that everyone wants to challenge.

Dear Josephus,

It's not the religion that's a problem.
The problem is Islamic fundamentalism
and the way it is practised by extremist
ideology. That goes for all extremists
of all religions.

More on the Cologne incident comes to light. Apart from the distress caused to the women and the thought that the collective frau now need to modify their behaviour to suit the new German demographics, a big part of the story is the way the political establishment and the compliant media tried to suppress the story.

It took four days and a absolute storm in social media before the media decided they could no longer hide the truth. Only after that did the politicians realise that they would also need to acknowledge the truth and then go into damage control.

It now turns out that the authorities were so determined to avert their gaze from the consequences of their actions that the Cologne police, the day after the 120 or so sexual assaults occurred issued a press release saying that the night of celebrations was “peaceful”. No mention whatsoever of any problems.

I saw an ABC report which mentioned the incident, which was surprising of itself. But they managed to not mention the descriptions given of the attackers. Anyone watching the report who didn't know better would assume it was those crazy Nazis up to their old tricks. Its always fun watching the ABC and seeing how hard they try to avoid using the I-word when these things happen.

Australia has avoided most of these problems so far. For how long?

Fox,

You have said in the past that you have a unique knowledge of matters affecting immigrants because you do research (advocacy?) for a NGO/group representing immigrants.

You have also referred obliquely to education of children in immigration.

You continually say that your role on OLO, which is supposed to be a discussion site, is to 'educate' or words to that effect.

With respect, it would be damned difficult to find a better example of astroturfing than this thread and when it failed its purpose, that you would close it. Your posting history is relevant.

You might care to confirm what if any role you presently have, paid or voluntary, in representing/lobbying/advocacy for a political party, NHO or other interest/lobby group.

For general information, astroturfing,

http://tedxtalks.ted.com/video/Astroturf-and-manipulation-of-m

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/feb/08/what-is-astroturfing

Foxy,
These Palestinian Arabs chant "Mohamed taught us to kill the Jews with the sword". It is the Religion of death to Jews, Christians and Kafir opponents. Are all Palestinians psychopathic criminals or chanting their religion?

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/206111#.Vo7cws6Jk5k

Dear Josephus,

I can't really comment on how others choose
to practice their religion - be they Jews,
Christians, or anyone else.

How many Pakistanis do you know? I

'm not an expert.
I can only comment on my own experiences - and take
people as I find them. Perhaps you should try that?

otb,

I stand by my posting record and will match mine with
yours any day. I always end my discussions once
I feel that I have nothing further to say on
the subject. I also will match the amount of
contributors who respond to my discussions in
comparison to yours.

As for expertise on migrants?

I strongly recommend the recently released book,
"Across the Seas," by Klaus Neumann. It's Australia's
response to Refugees. An official, political, and
public history.

I don't belong to any political party or advocacy
group. Its policies that matter to me as I've made quite
clear in the past.