Another day, another deadly attack. For a change of pace, this one was in Mali. A hotel frequented by westerners was attacked, hostages taken, 27 killed. Many more might have died except for the fact that special forces were near-by and retook the hotel in short order.

The attackers carried jihadist flags.
The attackers were heard shouting "allahu akbar".
The attackers freed any hostage that could recite Koranic verses.

Despite all that, we will be assured, that this (all together now) "had nothing to do with Islam".

The Paris attackers, apparently, had nothing to do with Islam either. Those who recite this meme must think we're fools.

Thank the Lord and Allah that we face no chance of something similar in Australia.
We have secure borders and The Border Force, with those snappy uniforms, and all is well in the Land Downunder.

Yes and if and when an attack from an import does happen on home soil, i seriously doubt a "sorry, we got it wrong? will be acceptable when ones relatives are killed.

How on earth do you screen a five year old kid, as had we screened the eleven year old that blew herself up, at five, i seriously doubt she would have been a threat.

Our government needs to wake up to its self as kids are not born terrorist, they are made that way by extremists and allowing them access to places that are known to hold terror like meetings is just plain ridiculous in my view.

The world needs to wake up to its self before these extremists are in every country on earth, thats provided its not too late.

Rehctub, it almost seems like you are hoping there is a terrorist attack in Australia so you can say 'I told you so!' ? Surely not?

Australia seems to have done better than most other Western countries in keeping terrorist activities to a minimum so far. I am sure we don't have better politicians, immigration or legal systems than anyone else, so why do you think we haven't suffered the same level of terrorist activity here?

'Australia seems to have done better than most other Western countries in keeping terrorist activities to a minimum so far. '

thats right Susie our percentage of muslims is much lower here. Its more dangerous to be in the mothers womb.

Suse,

Because those that have tried it here have been rank amateurs, as anyone who has done any anti-terrorist training will tell you.

Professionals will not use phones or any other traceable medium.
Old fashioned letters and codes will do for organization.

Suse.
I don,t see how you can say that butch is hoping for a terror attack as he has indicated no such thing, but will be in a position to say 'I told you so'.

The sole reason that we have had less terrorist activity than say Europe is simply because we have less Muslims than most European countries. But I remind you that there are over 20 would be terrorists in jail here and all of them are muslims.

It is a matter of numbers, the more muslims the greater the chance of terrorist action. There are about 100 'Aussies' fighting for IS now and we have prevented over 100 or so from going and ASIO reckons there are thousands of sympathisers with about 200 direct supporters.

It is only a matter of time until we get a large attack so the smaller the number of muslims here the better. At present if 20% of muslims hold radical views it means we have about 100,000 muslims here that are radicals.

I say this risk is too high and we should immediately stop further muslim immigration.

Suse,
Only this morning it was reported that Hizb ut Tahrir Had 800 persons at their last conference.

Australia, like the rest of the West, doesn't have the will to defend defend its values or it's physical self, thanks to a generation of PC guilt, relativism and 'what have we done wrong'. 'It's not Islam', bleat our craven poiticians, lacking the guts and intelligence to face that fact that IS Islam, and something must be done about it NOW. Limp Obama whispers in Turnbull's ear, and that drip comes out with: "Ground troops wouldn't be effective". So the Islamists continue thinking, 'They'll kill a few from 30,000 feet for there values, but they will not die for them. We are on a winner!"

Western politicians are in total denial of their primary obligation - to protect their citizens and country. They are aided and abetted in this by gormless, nihilist citizens, like 80% of the crap regurgitaters in this forum.

Is Mise has obviously done his 'professional' training, because he can fire a gun.

I still say that you lot of 'regurgitaters' will be dancing in the street with 'I told you so!' slogans tattooed to your foreheads if we were unfortunate enough to have an awful tragedy here like in Paris.

Banjo, you can't rant and rave about Muslims and threats of terrorism on the one hand, and then say it won't happen here because we don't have enough Muslims.
Which is it?
I refuse to let terrorists of any sort rule my mind...

Suse,
Thanks for giving me the opportunity to further state my point.

We have more than enough muslims here now who are incompatable with our democracy and our society.

The more muslims here the greater the risk of a terrorist attack so let us stop importing them.

Rubbish Banjo, it only takes one murderous fool to commit a terrorist act on a big scale if he puts his mind to it, so I doubt Australia's history of terrorism has anything to do with the fewer numbers of Muslims in the country.

He only needs one of those high-powered pump action rifles in a built up area to do huge damage. If only our gun laws were even tighter...

Suse,
I know that there is no hope of you using reason to form an opinion but other reasonable people reading what I stated will see the logic. There are none so blind etc.

As I said before, the more muslims we have the greater the risk of a terrorist attack.

Maybe ALA can produce a Senator or two that has some common sense. Have to be streets ahead of the current lot. Senator Benardi is presently the only one worth feeding.

Suze, the fact that we have fared better here has more to do with us being surrounded by ocean, as opposed to trying to protect land borders. so sorry, but our people are not smarter, just luckier.

Its rather frightening dont you think, with our heightened level of surveillance that a putt putt boat can make it within a few Km of Christmas Island before being detected.

Kinda makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. Not!

//As I said before, the more muslims we have the greater the risk of a terrorist attack.//

Technically yes, but it doesn't just apply to muslims: the more people we have the greater the risk of a terrorist attack. If you check out the very comprehensive and useful Global Terrorism Database (link below) you can see that anarchist groups, far-right groups, as well as muslims are highly represented in the statistics for terrorist attacks in Australia over the past decade or so.

http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/

One of the few currently serving time in Australia for a successful terrorist attack on our soil instead of a foiled attempt is Peter James Knight, whose terrorist attack was motivated by his extremist Christian views. His case is something of an anomaly; there have been more cases like his in the US - because there are more Christians there - but right-wing extremist attacks in Australia are usually motivated by white supremacism rather than extremist Christianity.

One particularly horrific terrorist attacks on forergin soil of the past few years was perpetrated by a white, Christian Norwegian. Should we stop importing white people, Christians or Norwegians to ensure that we don't accidentally import the next Anders Breivik?

.... If only our gun laws were even tighter...

Suze, those high powered guns you refer to are illegal, so no changes to our gun laws will stop their use as the users dont respect our laws.

I think that 11 YO SS bomber is a real wakeup call.

Banjo and rehctub, was that you and your other nationalist mates I watched on TV tonight at the 'Reclaim Australia' rally? What a charming bunch they look too.

I especially enjoyed the punching and kicking displayed by many at this little rally, as they held up placards denouncing Muslim violence. Lol!

(Cont'd) Banjo, Cori Bernardi was banished with the other mad righties wasn't he? Everyone knows he is a religious loonytune...

As for guns, I realise there are many illegal guns out there, but at least we haven't got the mad gun lifestyle that many yanks have, with all those predominantly non-Muslim terrorist madmen killing all those kids at the US schools over the years.

Thank goodness John Howard did one good thing in preventing Australia following that US 'right to bear arms' attitude.

Suze, you are trying to broaden the term 'terrorist' which is quite a normal reaction for someone who has backed themselves into a corner.

Whether you like it or not, you are in the minority who actually think increasing Muslims here is a good thing because in reality, when an 11 YO Muslim terrorist blows herself up, no amount of refugee screening can address that. The only way too address that is to stop bringing those people in. The next step is to remove the cause, that being their faith and their places of worship, because after all, what type of a reception would you expect if you went to their country and applied to set up a christian church.

People like yourself Suze are only hampering the fight against terrorism.

And no Suze, i was not at that rally, i was working my shop as usual, and although I dont agree with what they are doing, i do agree with the point raised in that why are we allowing the likes of Christmas and birthdays to be banned from our schools just so as to not offend Muslims.

I was of the opinion they had moved to our country.

Finally, while i dont wish f0r a local terror attack to occur, i will say I told you so, again and again in the hope that people like you get the message. You are selling out your own people Suze and you just can not see that.

I would be very worries if i had a child attending schoolies this year.

Suse,

Any comment on the news story that three illegally armed criminals , but none the less armed civilians, shot dead two Muslim terrorists in Paris?
http://resistancerepublicaine.eu/2015/13-novembre-trois-narcos-trafiquants-colombiens-armes-auraient-abattu-deux-djihadistes/

Haven't heard that one Is Mise.

How do we find out if it is true? Could it be that our lefty media are trying to hide this from us, as it doesn't suit their agenda?

Rehctub, I don't know any schools here in WA that have banned Christmas and birthdays? Can you name any of these schools?

I am not in the minority in my thoughts about being inclusive of Muslim citizens and immigrants in Australia Rehctub, and looking at the piddly little 'rallies' of groups like the charming Reclaim Australia, I am not alone.

How would you suggest we 'remove' the Muslim faith or mosques from our community?
Do you think this act will lessen or increase our chances of terrorist acts here in Australia?

Oh yes Is Mise, I too hope your report is true.
There will be nothing better than having even more terrorists on the streets in Paris than there is now.

Mad gunmen swanning around trying to be heroes by killing terrorist suspects without trial or jury are no better than the terrorists themselves.
Idiots...

Actually I'm not at all worried. Mr OBAMA has assured the entire western world post Paris, that he has exercised total control over ISIS with his bombing strategy in Syria.

Suse'

"Mad gunmen swanning around trying to be heroes by killing terrorist suspects without trial or jury are no better than the terrorists themselves"

Don't change the goalposts!

The ones shot dead by the civilians were wielding weapons and firing, apparently; what would you have people do stand up to be shot by the terrorists or just lie down?

Isnt it amusing that i took the US and allies ten years to find and kill Bin Laden, yet it took just THREE DAYS for the French to kill the ring leader there.

But i guess the difference between the Us and France is that the French dont make a big deal of it and spread their intentions all over the news, they just act.

Suze, of cause closing down the mosques and ridding our nation of the Muslim faith will cause trouble. But ask yourself, do we do it now, or do we wait until we have millions of Muslims here.

The other law that should be passed is to ban public rallies in support of Islam because we dont need that here in our nation. Now if you find that racist, or offensive suze, so be it.

All i want is the same safe place i grew up in for my grand children and seriously, is that too much to ask? We cant have that if we continue to increase the Muslim population and thats not being racist, thats a fact. France now has seven million, well, less seven and these seven have cause utter chaos.

Sorry Suze but its just no longer worth the risk.

"Isnt it amusing that i took the US and allies ten years to find and kill Bin Laden, yet it took just THREE DAYS for the French to kill the ring leader there"

They didn't have far to look, now had Bin Laden obligingly gone to the US the Americans may have got him in short order.

Rehctub, last time I looked we are a democratic society here in Australia, and therefore our people are free to have their own religion and practice their faith in houses of worship.

If we were to 'close' the mosques and suggest society gets rid of the Islamic faith, it would then only be fair to also get rid of all other religions and churches.
As we move towards a more secular society, that may well happen eventually anyway.

Did you find the names of any non-Islamic schools that have banned Christmas and birthdays in Australia yet?

Suse,

You'll be disappointed but the druggies shooting the jihadis seems to have been a hoax.

Ah well! Better luck next time.

'Did you find the names of any non-Islamic schools that have banned Christmas and birthdays in Australia yet?' many of them to busy rorting the system Susie. Why worry about Christmas when you are cheating the tax payer for millions. And yes I am sure they will get a slap over the risk. You could not hold them to the standards others are held to could you.

Runner, thankfully I have absolutely no idea what you are on about...

' Runner, thankfully I have absolutely no idea what you are on about...'

not surprised at all Susie

'closing down the mosques and ridding our nation of the Muslim faith'

Just how do you go about that in practice? Easy to say, but what are you going to do go around asking people if they are muslim? Do you think one needs a mosque to believe in Allah.

Do you censor the internet, burn books or spy on people. Maybe bounty hunters could be paid to search for them.

Generally we think ourselves a 'free' society, which includes freedom of association (Except if you're a 'bikie' of course), and freedom of religion.

.....Generally we think ourselves a 'free' society, which includes freedom of association (Except if you're a 'bikie' of course), and freedom of religion.

Yes house, and more fool us.

Step one is to shut down the mosques. Then ban the likes of the burka (sorry not sure about the spelling) so least then terrorist cant use this to blend in.

This problem started decades ago so it wont be fixed overnight, but what will happen is that we will end up like the likes of France whereby we have a rather large population of Muslims.

Now while i have nothing against Muslims, the truth is they themselves cant stop the extremists feeding off their religion/faith, so the only option is to treat the cause, because all we are doing now is treating the symptoms and in consideration of the events in France, this is clearly not working, and to suggest screening a five year old is somewhat of a joke, as removing access to extremists here would be a far better option.

As for the net, one step at a time i say.

Im not against freedom, im against our safety being eroded which it is and it is also preventable because after all, our government is there to protect us.

Tony Lavis wrote..."you can see that anarchist groups, far-right groups, as well as muslims are highly represented in the statistics for terrorist attacks in Australia over the past decade or so."

I was interested in checking this data but somewhat underwhelmed. Sure it lists several instances of anarchist terrorism but a slightly closer look shows these 'acts of terror' involve setting fire to a car or two.

Clearly we've seen a process over the past few years whereby the word 'terrorism' gets massaged such that it ceases to mean what it used to mean. Then this massaged meaning can be used to create equivalency between things that aren't (or weren't) equivalent. Burning a car to protest wealth is not the same in any sense as putting a bullet in a passer-by to protest opposition to sharia. But they are given equivalence in these types of 'analysis' so that those of a certain bent can claim that mohomadan violence is on a par with that of other groups.

Was Breviks Christian? I'd say no but its arguable. The big difference between Breviks and Farhad Jabar Khalil Mohammad is two-fold. The later could find justification for his acts in his sacred texts, the former couldn't. The later was cheered by a subset of his religious brothers, the former not.

mhaze, I pointed out similar to Suze, as the word terrorism is being twisted, one can only assume in an attempt to numb it down.

Suse,

Besides learning to fire a gun (including pistols, submachine guns, light, medium and heavy machine guns, anti-aircraft guns such as the Polsen and the 20 and 40 mm Bofors, anti-tank guns and missile launchers) I also became proficient at setting anti-personnel and anti-tank mines (and, of course, finding and reclaiming them [the scary part!] I also did anti-terrorism training along with utterly safe encoding and I was sometimes able to observe the toughening up procedures used to harden some of our troops to interrogation methods known to be used by the then Iron Curtain countries (and Britain as it turned out).
So Suse, I do know a bit about anti-terrorist training, outdated though it may be.

I am heartened therefore that a known opponent of the carrying of arms by civilians has had a change of heart,

"n a 60 Minutes interview scheduled to air November 22, Washington DC police chief Cathy Lanier said taking out the gunmen in a Paris-style attack is the “best option” for citizens between the time they call 911 and the moment police arrive.

Lanier said citizens basically have three options–they can “run, hide, or fight.” And she said choosing to “take the gunman out” is the best option if the citizen is in a position to do so.

According to CBS News, Lanier said, “If you’re in a position to try and take the gunman down, to take the gunman out, it’s the best option for saving lives before police can get there.” She admitted that such advice runs “counterintuitive” to what police have been saying for decades, but she stressed that the situation has changed.

Lanier said: “We always tell people, ‘Don’t…don’t take action. Call 911. Don’t intervene in the robbery’…we’ve never told people, ‘Take action.’ [But] it’s a different…scenario.”
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/22/dc-police-chief-best-option-citizens-take-paris-style-attackers/