Blind faith is eating saveloys.

Thank you DAVID F, you have blown my argument out of the water. I guess the only question or query if you like, that I might have, is concerning this fellow called Jesus of Nazareth.

Everything I've ever read of his statements in the New Testament I think it was, and despite many of the injustices occasioned to him and others - He never seemed to seek out any sort of revenge or desire to inflict any type of punishment on his assailants, rather he apparently stated, '...turn the other cheek...'. He seemed very much into forbearance and tolerance, while everyone else sought punishment for those who've been injured or who've stolen from them ?

If it's true, this bloke was a remarkable individual in many ways. However commonsense doesn't allow us to believe he survived after having been affixed or fastened high-up on a cross of wood, for the best part of 12 hours, and then being savagely stabbed with a spear. It's just not anatomically or medically conceivable? What I'm trying to say, he didn't seem to be a reprobate, quite the contrary in fact. Whatever the strange circumstances were surrounding his birth, and the mysterious particulars associated with his premature death ?

IsMise,

"Blind faith is eating saveloys".

Good one! We'd all agree on that. Absolute truth always beats mere opinion.

Dear o sung wu,

If you find what you think is wisdom, accept it wherever it may be found. You don’t have to believe in the miracles cited in the Bible to follow what you think is wisdom. Revenge brings suffering on others, but it does us no good. We are not the same as time passes. All changes. We can’t even revenge ourselves on the person who injured us. He or she has changed through time and is not the same person who injured us. I find some of the sayings attributed to Jesus good. I find others not so good.

Leviticus 19:18

Jewish Publication Society

Thou shalt not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

King James Version

Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Jesus was a Jew reciting the Jewish scriptures.

Mark 12:31

The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."

How much do we love ourselves? Maybe Martin Bryant who murdered the people in Port Arthur hated himself and loved his neighbour as much as he loved himself. If so he followed the commandment. I think a better commandment would be: “Be as kind as you can be under the circumstances.” If you had turned your other cheek when you were a police officer I don’t think you would have doing your duty.

One saying of Jesus I find objectionable is John 14:6 KJV.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

I see it as Jesus saying. It doesn’t matter how good or considerate a person you have been it is my way or the highway. Quite intolerant.
From your posts you seem to be a kind and decent man. That is much more important than looking for a bit of mumbojumbo to follow.

Some here define christian by their claim, "I am Christian". Claiming Hitler was christian.

What did Jesus say who were his follower, "Those that obey my words" not the one who says I am a follower; as in the case of the two sons, one who said I will do the work and did not, and the other who said I will not do the work but later changed his mind and did. Which one is the obedient son? Matthew 21; 28 - 32. Again; Many will come in my name, Jesus said, and even perform miracles but he will say, "Depart for I never knew you".

Unless they follow Christ teaching they are not Christian.

O sung wu,

DavidF and his smug cronies are not interested in the New Testament or the amazing good qualities - as opposed to the lunatic, Muhammed - of Jesus Christ. They are too busy scanning as much of the Old Testament as they can stay awake through, looking for the nasty bits. They don't dare open the New Testament because that would ruin their equivalence theories. How anyone, including athiests, cannot see the difference between the two main flesh and blood prophets of religion is beyond understanding. I am amazed that anyone claiming to be intelligent even mentions the Old Testament. The only nasty religious book in use in modern times is the Koran, which is much worse than the OT. They need to move on or stay in the same league as Muslims.