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Catch 22 again

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Cherful,

"I disagree with your suggestion that America is profiting
By waging war. In Fact it is costing billions and billions of dollars
To wage war, the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were a disaster in regard
To the billions of dollars wasted that could have been spent"

Bush and Co funnelled no end of taxpayer funds into the war... enriching arms manufacturers, etc.

Bush and Co funnelled oodles of taxpayer funds into infrastructure rebuilding, security, catering, to support troops, etc in Iraq to companies like Haliburton and Blackwater.

So the short story is that the Iraq war was a great opportunity for the Bush administration to funnel public funds into the pockets of private corporations and contractors.

End of story....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_for_Sale:_The_War_Profiteers
Posted by Poirot, Friday, 9 October 2015 10:23:13 PM
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Poirot,

Why shouldn't America employ American companies to rebuild Iraq.
Conquerors don't usually rebuild the countries they just spent
Billions fighting and having their soldiers killed as well.

It doesn't make sense that they would pay somebody else to do it.

By employing their own companies at least they can recoup some of the money used to
Fund the war, back in taxation of those companies. Why the hell would they give the job to a foreign company.

It's just common sexnse, not what was said here by a couple of posters, that they started a war that cost billions,
just so a couple of companies could make a profit.
Posted by CHERFUL, Saturday, 10 October 2015 11:07:22 PM
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Cherful,

You are so right.

They paid out public money to knock Iraq down...and they paid out more public money to corporations s and contractors to build it up again.

And those corps and contractors had a ball screwing the American taxpayer and profiteering.

Don't bother attempting to portray it thus:

"By employing their own companies at least they can recoup some of the money used to
Fund the war, back in taxation of those companies. Why the hell would they give the job to a foreign company."

And this:

"It's just common sexnse, not what was said here by a couple of posters, that they started a war that cost billions,
just so a couple of companies could make a profit."

Of course it was more than enriching private companies...but enriching private companies by opening the public coffers was part of it. Though the Bush administration aimed for unfettered access to Iraq's resources - which is why they cooked up the war, and ignored the UN's advice of WMDs.

It was a disaster, both financially for the US and structurally for the Iraqis.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2005/jun/09/the-secret-way-to-war/

"By mid-July 2002, eight months before the war began, President Bush had decided to invade and occupy Iraq.

Bush had decided to “justify” the war “by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD.”

Already “the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.”

"....WMD threat was indeed the Bush Admin's main thrust in formulating an invasion - an invasion which had already been decided upon even as Bush was delivering ultimatums to avert invasion.

"...Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy..."

In Iraq's case, it was unfettered access they were after - and which they achieved.
Posted by Poirot, Sunday, 11 October 2015 12:10:10 AM
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'Twas America's decision to steal the Iraqi oil revenue to fund the rebuilding of Iraq by American companies at ridiculously high prices that did more to turn the Iraqis against the Americans (and Australians, British and everyone else who took part in the invasion) than anything else, as it demonstrated the occupying army were there to exploit, not to liberate.
Posted by Aidan, Sunday, 11 October 2015 12:12:54 AM
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Cherful,

"By employing their own companies at least they can recoup some of the money used to
Fund the war, back in taxation of those companies..."

You might like to know how the Bush admin funded the Iraq war - and why they decided to pull out when it became common knowledge.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/mar/11/us-public-defrauded-hidden-cost-iraq-war

"The most striking fact about the cost of the war in Iraq has been the extent to which it has been kept "off the books" of the government's ledgers and hidden from the American people. This was done by design. A fundamental assumption of the Bush administration's approach to the war was that it was only politically sustainable if it was portrayed as near-costless to the American public and to key constituencies in Washington. The dirty little secret of the Iraq war – one that both Bush and the war hawks in the Democratic party knew, but would never admit – was that the American people would only support a war to get rid of Saddam Hussein if they could be assured that they would pay almost nothing for it."

"The most obvious way in which the true cost of this war was kept hidden was with the use of supplemental appropriations to fund the occupation. By one estimate, 70% of the costs of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan between 2003 and 2008 were funded with supplemental or emergency appropriations approved outside the Pentagon's annual budget. These appropriations allowed the Bush administration to shield the Pentagon's budget from the cuts otherwise needed to finance the war, to keep the Pentagon's pet programs intact and to escape the scrutiny that Congress gives to its normal annual regular appropriations."

So all very sneaky and underhand...and I doubt Bush and his cronies would be yodelling from the rooftops that raining money upon private US contractors was a good thing because taxes could be recouped in long run.

Lol!
Posted by Poirot, Sunday, 11 October 2015 12:24:04 AM
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