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Unemployment reaches 13 year highs.

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Employment figures came out on Thursday August 6. Employment up, mostly part time work, workers still looking for full time employment. Unemployment rises to 6.4%. The highest unemployment for 13 years.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/feb/12/unemployment-in-australia-rises-to-64-in-january-abs-figures-show

13 years ago was 2002. After New York's twin towers trade centre collapse, interest rates were lowered in fear of world trade slump. August 2002, 6.4% unemployment.

Being we're a long way from New York, Australian trade has more to do with Asia. Lowering interest rates without purposeful expansion in industry providing direction, seems pointless.

As prime time television media encourage teenagers to enter into restaurant business careers: cooks and waitresses, lowering interest rates may reduce income from pensioners and self-supporting interest baring bank deposits. Lowering interest rates allows one group of income earners to lose spare spending power, while another group gaining from lower interest rates are supposedly spending extra money on business expansion and or luxury goods.

Both 2002 and 2015 have in common are both years are in a property buying boom. Property buying booms, which may not increase dwellings being built, being that in 2002, a 10% GST and HIH insurance company, March 2001 placed in provisional liquidation, I assume placed many builders out of business.

My discussion is: school leavers are getting older before school leavers choose what type on employment they will pursue, in most instances, employment will continue for their entire lives.
Leaving school aged 16 years in the 1960s, teenagers could enter into a trade if teenagers can find an employer to sign them up for an apprenticeship. Apprenticeship employers generally pay too lower wages for year 12 students to want to bother to enter into a trade.
Schooling for schooling sake for most teenagers has zero future skilful thought productive value. Australia, in competing with world countries in some spelling and mathematics testing has very little to do with thinking progressive trade skills.
Many employers require teenagers to learn how to strip down and reassemble hard object components. Holding teenagers at school only manages to traumatise memory learning behaviours.

Listen to John Lennon's “Working Class Hero” 1970 song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsmQhbd1KWE
Posted by steve101, Friday, 7 August 2015 12:35:01 PM
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After listening to Working Class Hero song, a message from the last words in the song: “if you want to be a hero, well just follow me. If you want to be a hero, well just follow me”. I believe, with little doubt, The singular “hero” John Lennon is singing to, are whistle blowers expressing to people that what people believe in, are no more than lies.
Where would heroes go by following John Lennon? Well... there are many assassin character television movie and series productions, which I believe are meant to be reminders, threatening potential whistle blowers.
As John Lennon was retired from the music business, John Lennon's last concert appearance, in New York, was in 1974.
The last lines “if you want to be a hero, well just follow me”, could mean that Lennon was not assassinated in December 1980. That Lennon was creating an assassination story history example, as to say, whistle blowers being assassinated while entering your home can happen to you. John Lennon merely went somewhere else.

Julian Assange and Edward Snowden are parable threats, reminding whistle blowers that what's happening to them (Assange and Snowden) can happen to whistle blowers. What allows me to believe this statement is that, in the past, the media paid and still pays a lot of attention to these 2 people.
What Assange and Snowden are exposing are probably no more than the usual media embarrassing stories of politicians an public officials.
Posted by steve101, Friday, 7 August 2015 2:45:15 PM
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The system of apprenticeships, by teenagers finding employment by businesses willing to hire teenagers that can barely function. Teenagers needing 100 hours of supervised learner driving to obtain a motor vehicle driver's license, does not indicate teenagers as competent quick learners.
As John Lennon sings, “when you can't really function, you're so full of fear”.

John Lennon is describing an intended purpose in his song. Because most everyone has suffered from the song's describing functionality, few people know better. The few people willing to tell people (whistle blowers) to know better, that there is something better, are mostly ignored by people whom feel they achieved something at school and or too full of fear as the song describes to care to want to know, barely functioning as they are.

I would say, it is cheaper to pay social security doll payments, allowing unemployed people spending their time finding full time employment, than to invent full time employment from nothing, paying a full time wage. By traumatising teenagers so teenagers are not capable of performing trades, teenagers are unable to find and or except full time trade apprenticeships. Potential apprenticeship employers either can't see future profits and or believe in the end, apprentices will become future trades people in competition with themselves.

Importing immigrant tradesmen and tradeswomen to fill trade positions exposes a lack of political planning.

My belief is that the establishment doesn't care about working classes skills ability. The establishment is more concerned with media lies being believed by as many people as possible, using a traumatising education system to condition children, teenagers, and young adults to believe what they're told by media to be true.
Posted by steve101, Friday, 7 August 2015 2:49:10 PM
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With the WW2 baby boom generation retiring, no longer seeking employment, there should be many new employment vacancies.

My opinion is that high unemployment figures fuels expectations of another RBA interest rate cut. That people assuming further interest rate cuts are coming, people will hold on to shares; consider buying shares rather than reinvesting in safer low interest bank term deposits; consider consulting licensed financial advisers, who will most probably advise potential clients to invest in investment companies with said to be minimal risks.

Along comes China's troubles and or US September interest rate increases, which the US Fed. chairwoman has not to my knowledge elaborated how much of an increase she is planning.

Financial commentators are saying interest rate will eventually go up, while media concerns of unemployment allows people to invent ideas that a federal government won't raise interest rates while unemployment is high. Which I am saying interest rates have little to do with unemployment.

I tend to believe by the way unemployment figures are collected, that the figures can be easily faked, simply by collecting figures from high unemployment suburb areas or by collecting figures from low unemployment suburb areas. Creating speculating assumptions on interest rates.
Posted by steve101, Friday, 7 August 2015 2:56:53 PM
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And you ain't seen nothin yet Steve. Unemployment may well hit double figures, only governments will find a way to reclassify those out of work just to improve the numbers because the real figure is already nearing 10%
Posted by rehctub, Friday, 7 August 2015 11:21:35 PM
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For many years now our universities have trained students for jobs that simp,y don't exist. Either that, or the students that graduate don't like where the jobs are, so consequently we end up with the most well educated bar staff in the world.

Seriously, what's the point of training people on the one hand, while our workplace laws pretty much ensure there are no jobs available. We sure are slow learners.

The other ridiculous law is that unless you o tain work in the field you have trained for, you can't claim your course costs as a tax deduction.

This sure does put a whole new spin on 'earning or learning' doesnt it!
Posted by rehctub, Sunday, 9 August 2015 5:23:24 PM
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steve101 "Teenagers needing 100 hours of supervised learner driving to obtain a motor vehicle driver's license, does not indicate teenagers as competent quick learners."

This has nothing to do with teen competence and everything to do with the namby-pamby totalitarianism engulfing our society like The Blob.
And everyone just bends over and takes it.
Pathetic.

"Unemployment reaches 13 year highs."

I'm sure homelessness has too.

And I'm sure it has nothing to do with artificially adding 2.2 million extra people through immigration.

Keep 'em coming, Tweedles! No matter what!
Posted by Shockadelic, Monday, 10 August 2015 9:19:54 PM
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steve101,
You are 100% right.
I watched Bill Shorten this morning and found myself
agreeing with everything he had to say except 50% climate target.
As a solid liberal voter and a party worker I am proud to now believe that a person can change and it looks that way with me.
Two things stand out
First unemployment will reach double figures
Second Labor will win the next election on default'
Posted by chrisgaff1000, Tuesday, 11 August 2015 11:33:51 AM
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There are many embarrassing political stories; many newsprint cartoon character embarrassing images of prime ministers; Abbott; Gilard; Rudd; Howard; Keating; going back to Australia's earliest Prime ministers.
Embarrassing cartoon images go back to Briton's King George the second.

Why do we not believe leaders may have been chosen for their looks in order to be characterised in humorous circumstances?

Teachers told at teacher colleges to make stern statements to selective children to embarrass children in order to maintain control over many other children within the classroom. Embarrassing, humiliating scenes are believed and judged to be real by classroom students, because they are real.
Media are aware of classroom conditioned judgemental behaviour.

Media stories containing embarrassing stories: politicians allowance abuse; Abbott standing under reject shop sign showing “reject”; newsprint embarrassing cartoon images based on weekly rolled over political topics; financial stories on company plans that include embarrassing stories, allows stories to be felt, knee-jerk-reacted as truthful, realistic events.

Catholic church's embarrassing priests molesting children are believed, yet never have I heard that religion tricks many educated to be gullible people out of their money, using praying to god and ceremonial performances based on no more than congregations' faith in words. The church are selling words.

If media are embarrassing important people than the media must be separate from important people. I say, when important people are constantly being embarrassed, propaganda reasons are people educated to believe what they're told, are fooled by a belief that by embarrassing important people, the media are separate from important people, plus embarrassing stories are entertaining.

I'm stating that embarrassing people media stories are designed to fool listeners into believing what media tells listeners to be true. In doing so, most people tell me I'm wrong, that they believe what media tells them, is absolutely true.

I confidence trick is to discredit other people for having poor moral and ethical behaviours. By criticising other people, unaware listeners form opinions of the confidence trickster as having high moral and ethical standards. That's what the media are doing.
Posted by steve101, Tuesday, 11 August 2015 12:30:32 PM
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The media are embarrassing politicians and known people to show media as having separation between: politicians; one or two corrupt officials; several known actors; and unknown priests molesting children. Other than a few radio shock jockeys and several television program critics who are focusing their attention on politicians, the media are not drawing attention to issues like why teenagers are leaving school, becoming: suddenly violent, bipolar; drunken alcoholics; drug addicted; are slow, difficult to teach work skills; parents complain about their children not learning anything; why children, particularly teenagers are mentally stressed at school? Mental depression, increased illegal drug use and suicide are no more than media mentioned concerns? Media: having no mentioned solutions to why such concerns are there? Whether concerns are being investigated, are open for public debate? Whether school's mental stress have any associated causes? Whether aged 5 years children are ready to attend school due to parents poor social skills and in parents calming children rather than allowing parents to let their children have pre-school ADHD? Why teachers (from what I have heard) are spending increased amounts of time (compared to previous generations) stopping young children from misbehaving in classrooms?

Very few to no independent organisations separate from political systems are heard expressing opinions through the media. I believe if there were organisations forming opinions on how selective government policies are carried out, such organisations would be suppressed by the establishment.

The media are all about selectively controlling what people hear, in order to control what people believe. Rolling over the same concerns like the media care to bring concerns to people's attentions, as to increase people's perception as the media's roll as societies guardian. In bringing concerns to people's attentions, few to no changing or introducing laws and or ideas on how to solve concerns to reduce further concerns.

Television's SBS Insight program, brings ideas to people's attention, using a forum setting, having a limited number to guests describing their problems. Several expert guests describing behaviours, while few solutions at the very end of Insight programs are recommended, Insight program having run out if time.
Posted by steve101, Tuesday, 11 August 2015 12:34:28 PM
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August 11, 2015. Tony Abbott wants to take a vote on gay marriage. Immediately the event turns into a media interviewing various politicians over procedure, what Tony Abbott wanted, to what several other politicians wanted. Correct procedure becomes much of the discussion. Media reports of dramas over division between Liberal politicians aids anecdotally of democracy procedure.

Gay marriage becomes a distraction from other concerning public topic debates.
2008 – 2009 Labor government insulation employment scheme where four young males died. The much publicised royal commission into government incompetence of the insulation scheme, allows government to be seen as wanting to look the other way in regards to employment schemes. My opinion, government wants to do as little as possible, dramatising politicians embarrassing mistakes.

The insulation royal commission should have enquired into why schools allowed poor thinking ability traumatised school leavers to be stupid enough to allow themselves to be electrocuted.
The Rudd government took responsibility for inadequate training. My opinion is that electrical wiring had to be placed on top of foils rather than under foils. If electrical wiring were seen as being faulty, electricians were to be called. If young adults had any skilful thinking abilities and weren't hurried under time restraints to get each job done quickly, training wouldn't have prevented any deaths. Training would have told installation installers to place electrical wiring on top of foils, that's if foils were to be used.
With respect to the families, Installers stupid enough to staple into electrical wiring would have been stupid enough to ignore detailed training.
Insulation enquiry should have been about education's increased high school traumatising of school students into not being capable enough to install insulation bats inside ceilings.

Gay marriage is one more rolled over distraction from real problems, exampled: number one cause of Australian deaths between aged 14 to 44 is suicide; increasing mental health problems, which I believe comes from schooling traumas; illegal drug addiction is no more than media topic; employment security; ever expanding cities; 2008 GFC lost investment money.
Government' media stories are little more than contrived distractions from real issues.
Posted by steve101, Thursday, 13 August 2015 11:47:13 AM
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A common conversation among colleagues at my school is the notion that "Student X is a great person and very capable, but just doesn't want to be at school." Another, possibly more controversial, is that "Student Y just doesn't belong at school - but where is there for (usually) him to go?"

Fundamentally, some kids would just be better off pursuing pathways in which they are interested, and specialising sooner, rather than having a general education with little-to-no direction for after-school life.

One of the better things the Howard administration did in its dying days was the establishment of the Australian Technical Colleges for senior high school students. Students were able to complete the basic literacy and numeracy components that are so fundamental to secondary education while pursuing pathways in vocational fields. In that way, they graduated from high school with considerable progress in their chosen apprenticeships. The original vision suggested that they could do this while still completing academic courses so that they could pursue university entry if they were taken by that whim - and, depending on the field, their hands-on experience would probably have given them better understanding of some of the lofty theoretical components of, say, engineering courses.

Because education is a political plaything, the Rudd government decided that these colleges were a bad idea. They shifted trade training centres back to schools. Some, like the one here in Townsville, have continued on as independent organisations. I think this is a vision that was never given enough time to realise its full potential.
Posted by Otokonoko, Sunday, 23 August 2015 3:02:52 PM
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