Fox,

As a long standing, current union member and with fingers in the refugee pie as you have recently admitted, it is only to be expected that you would be taking the political line every time and ducking inconvenient facts.

Facts such as the TABLED findings, observations and recommendations of the Government's own auditor, the ANAO and available to the previous Labor+Greens administrations too.

However for the remainder of the public who are tired of political spin, the bald fact remains that the public are demanding production and accountability from the politicians who represent them and are paid as executive managers.

Your man Shorten and his crew from the previous Rudd and Gillard+Greens governments were there when ANAO reports were tabled that were critical of the 'rules'(sic) and conditions for claiming travel entitlements. Shorten et all did nothing and they were aware of their own members too who have abused politicians' entitlements and further allegations that were outstanding.

Not a good look by any stretch for all federal politicians.

otb,

What refugee pie do I have my fingers in?
And what union do I belong to?

Please do tell, and let me know.

cont'd ...

The only Membership that I hold is of ALIA -
(Australian Library Information Association).
We refer to it as a "union." In actual fact its
a professional association.

And, as for your "refugee pie" assertion.
I actually give of my own free time - to several
organisations. It's called volunteering.

The rest of your post isn't worth commenting on.

Fox,

Recently in your replies to other posters it was you who claimed current and longstanding UNION membership.

Union Membership
As I recall but others might be able to point to the subject post, you did that to make some point. Now you object to being quoted as being a union member, which is precisely what you were claiming at the time.

Your claimed involvement in refugee organisations
Similarly, in a reply to a poster where you were at pains to show your extensive familiarity of matters affecting refugees you did as I recall refer to your involvement with several refugee organisations. The impression was that these were NGOs involved in refugee representation and advocacy, but could clarify if not.

On both you could make up your mind. Because it is very difficult to understand exactly what you are objecting to.

Fox, "The rest of your post isn't worth commenting on"

But of course you would be a denialist where the Australian National Audit Reports tabled in Parliament are concerned, because it doesn't suit your spin.

It simply wouldn't do to admit that all in the Parliament and partiocularly those from the Rudd and Gillard+Greens administrations are aware or should be aware of the (ANAO) audit findings on the travel entitlements.

I have stated the relevant background simply in my posts, but do try to muddy the waters and divert the attention elsewhere.

otb,

What I said and it was - in defence of unions and
it has to be taken in the context of
that issue was - to quote exactly:

"I'm a member of a union, but I've never been put
in a position where I've had to go out
on strike. And although I'm sometimes frustrated when the union
does its job badly. I support without reservation the right of
all working people to join together so as to preserve and
protect their livelihoods."

I did also add that of course, unions need to be more sensitive
to the realities of modern economic conditions. That sectarian
attitudes and greed serve the cause of labour badly.

You immediately leap at the chance of accusing me of
lifetime union membership, and more.

As usual - a totally wrong assumption - which I have hopefully now
clarified for you.

Also, my reference to refugee organisations - has again to
be taken in context. I have been/and continue to be both
professionally and socially involved with refugees both in
this country and overseas. Your reference to my having my
fingers in the "refugee pie," as you put it is totally out
of line and extremely rude. What kind of a man says that to
someone they do not know. And why?
Besides of what concern is
it of yours.?I don't question you of how many fingers in how
many pies you may have. And then you dare to have the affront
to wonder why I am upset.

What a totally ridiculous little man you are.
I should just simply ignore you.
You're a creep! And thick as a brick to boot!

Claiming volunteer status in the refugee (pie) business and then admitting professional involvement, would surely amount to a lot more in the purse than the wrong helicopter to Geelong.

Well done otb, and ignore the unjust insults.