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This fallacy can also be refuted from other angles. For example,

1) What media and ways does the consciousness rely on in order to transfer? What is the existence form when transferring? Where does the energy for the activity come from?

2) Creatures came to existence from nothing, and grew from a few to a lot. Also, the randomness of the objective world has shown that the number of conscious creatures changes randomly.

3) The transfer of the consciousness is assumed to be a natural rule, but there is nowhere that shows its existence and significance.

4) This fallacy does not admit the authenticity of the memory. You are not sure if the one who controlled your body yesterday is yourself, believing that the reason why you feel so is because you yourself have received the memory of the body. According to this, you cannot ensure either if the one who controlled your body a second ago or a moment ago is yourself. This even further increases the absurdity of this fallacy.

5) Many evidences have shown that this fallacy can never hold true, unless this world is false or disorderly. But if this world is false or disorderly, any kind of situation, whether it be imaginable or unimaginable, is possible to happen. Therefore, there is still less need to worry.

Normally I would engage with a discussion along these lines but I'm totally confused by KAICHEN's reasoning; why he has presented a fallacy to contemplate followed up immediately by several refutations; and how he came up with this mixture of odd assumptions.

Kaichen has certainly shown a misunderstanding regarding "the real "self", similar to the concept of All-encompassing foundation consciousness in Buddhism."

In Buddhism, Hinduism, and yogic philosophy the self that identifies with the body, the mind, the brain, the experiences, the pain and joy, is not the 'real self. The Buddhist 'Real Self' is well beyond the senses, it is the only Self, the same Self we would all discover if we could experience our true Self. "Knowing the Self is knowing the Truth"

So, other than the above, I am steering clear of this discussion because I already know what's coming from the usual suspects who will get themselves all worked up over this.

I remember years ago being given the book -
"The Autobiography of a Yogi," and loving the
whole great Hindu tradition of spiritual seeking.
I ended up lending the book to my younger brother
on the condition that he return it to me.
I never did get it back.

Humans are "soulish" creatures; and we are always
seeking answers to the difficult questions. Our nature is
that of a seeking, curious, speculative creature, and if
we aren't provided with answers to the imponderables of
life, at least some of us turn to a faith to steady us and
give us direction.

Down the ages ring questions as to the nature of humankind;
where on the spectrum of might, power and understanding do
we belong? Are we masters of our own destiny or playthings
of the gods? How will the battle of good and evil end?

Is death an end or a beginning?

I am still on my own journey - on ongoing spiritual
search.

I certainly don't have the answers.

But I find the search worthwhile.

Dear Kaichen,

I forgot to add that the innumerable recorded and
researched cases of past life experiences clearly point
to life after death.

But is there life for this thread?

The OP says it all.

Dear Is Mise,

It would be interesting to have a discussion on
Spirituality.

I certainly would enjoy it.