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Alan Bond dies.
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Posted by Foxy, Friday, 5 June 2015 2:37:51 PM
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Yes it was a pretty momentous occasion for us yachties.
I was pretty friendly with Bob Miller, who changed his name to Ben Lexcen, after a falling out with a business partner. He's the guy who came up with the Australia 2 winged keel. He actually thought other factors of his design were more important than the keel, but also thought the hoo-ha about it gave them a psychological edge. It was a very smart move by Bond to see how far ahead Bob & some other people were with their work on 18 Ft skiffs in Sydney. I doubt any other syndicate sponsor than Bond would have taken a chance with them. That footage of him unveiling the keel after that last race is a classic in Oz sporting history, & typical Bond showmanship. It is a pity his gambling on some wild business ventures was to cost so many their life savings. Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 6 June 2015 12:19:43 AM
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Yes Foxy, I , like many West Australians, remember exactly where I was the day we won the America's Cup. I was working in Geraldton at the time and was staying in Perth with a friend for the weekend of the race.
I was helping her paint her unit, and we were sooo excited about us beating the yanks at anything! I loved the crestfallen look on the Yankee sailor's faces as Australia won after so many years. Another friend of ours had taken us out on her father's large power boat several times from the Royal Perth Yacht Club, so we all ended up there for drinks that night. A fun time had by all. RIP Bondy, even if you were a naughty bloke at times! I think I was the most patriotic I have ever been in my life that weekend. I also enjoyed all the wonderful tourist places in Fremantle that resulted from the incredible growth of Freo after the Cup was won. A new vibrant city was born... Posted by Suseonline, Saturday, 6 June 2015 1:39:41 AM
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Dear Hasbeen and Suse,
It definitely was a day to remember - and part of our glorious sporting history. Imagine you Hassie knowing the designer of that winged-keel - that's awesome! My family all cheered on our winning team - and we all became a great Bondy admirer from that day on. I know a lot of people lost their life savings through some of Bondy's business ventures - but I can't judge him on that as I don't know enough about his business dealings. He did go to prison. However, despite all of his money and fame the bloke did have a sad personal life. I believe that his second wife committed suicide. Which must have affected him dreadfully. In my mind Bondy remains the man who sponsored the winning team that beat the Yanks for the first time - in their 132 year history. RIP Bondy! Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 6 June 2015 12:06:30 PM
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Dear Hasbeen and Suse,
It definitely was a day to remember - and part of our glorious sporting history. We all cheered on our winning team - and I became a great Bondy admirer from that day on. I know a lot of people lost their life savings through some of his business ventures - but I can't judge him on that as I don't know enough about his business dealings. He did go to prison - and he had a sad personal life. I believe that his second wife committed suicide. Still in my mind he remains the man who sponsored the winning team that beat the Yanks in their 132 year history. Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 6 June 2015 12:06:47 PM
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In those days Foxy, I had access to the Ciba-Geigy lab at the time, & organised them doing a lot of work on adhesives, sheathing & waterproofing materials for Frank Bethwaite, a brilliant small boat designer, who was working on hydrofoil shapes with Bob/Ben Lexcen.
Frank designed the windvane self steering gear that guided my yacht for 50,000 miles around the Pacific. On that morning we were on the yacht moored in front of our shack on Russell Island, in Moreton bay. The race ended very late, & we were worried we'd miss the morning ferry to the mainland. The moment the race finished we jumped into our little one ton table top truck we kept on the island. All the way to the jetty we found people running for the ferry. We ended up with the truck fully loaded, & others still coming. We held the ferry, & it left 15 minutes late. The bus on the mainland waited, & left late, & 40 or more people were late for work/appointments. I gather that was situation normal that morning all over Australia, & everyone was so happy, no one cared. Isn't it amazing how one event can grab a whole nation. We could win the next one, & few would even notice, but that one meant so much to so many. Thank You Mr Bond. Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 6 June 2015 5:48:46 PM
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It's good to see some of that 80's spirit is still alive, when we were all keen to have a crack at the Yanks and take them down a peg or two, whether actively in business or sport or simply by barracking for our olympians, tennis players, yachtsmen or even our favourite bands. How times have changed eh?
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 6 June 2015 6:02:02 PM
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Sure miss Alan Bond, Christopher Skase and other members of the merry band. NOT
Posted by onthebeach, Saturday, 6 June 2015 6:21:39 PM
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Alan Bond dies.
Nobody cares. Stop presses! Posted by Toni Lavis, Saturday, 6 June 2015 7:13:50 PM
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Love him or loathe him -
I still find it interesting that Alan Bond is best remembered for owning a boat that won a yacht race and made him a national hero. Whatever else hid did pales in comparison to that. STypically Australian! Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 6 June 2015 9:05:53 PM
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//I still find it interesting that Alan Bond is
best remembered for owning a boat that won a yacht race and made him a national hero.// Rob Rob Bobbity Bobbity James Lee Hawke M.P. Took great care of his image because he was quick to see That if you are photographed standing with blokes Whose boats do well on the sea, Millions of voters will fail to notice The blokes will be charging a fee. - R.A.C.V. Milne (AKA John Clarke) I don't find it interesting that a criminal is remembered as a national hero. I find it disturbing. Ned Kelly was a thug and robber, and I've worked under a chef who has a tattoo of the dodgy bastard. As if he is some sort of hero. Aussies just seem to love their crooks. Doesn't matter if they're blue collar and violent, like 'our Ned', or if they're white collar and destroy countless more lives in a less dramatic manner, like 'our Bond'. Anybody want to take bets on how long it is before we see some stupid bogan with a Bond tattoo? Posted by Toni Lavis, Saturday, 6 June 2015 9:42:59 PM
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Toni Lavis, "Anybody want to take bets on how long it is before we see some stupid bogan with a Bond tattoo?"
LOL, good one :) You are too late though because there are plenty of sagging and fading 'boxing kangaroo' and Oz flag tatts around. However there could be a revival among the 'Houso' set who want to display their creativity and independence by picking some crude Bondie theme from a ragged exercise book of someone else's designs. Something to talk about in the Centrelink queue, or in the back of the Paddy Wagon. Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 7 June 2015 1:14:39 AM
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Alan Bond's financial failings came much later
in his life. Most Australians are sports-loving and have a strong desire to see their compariots achieve. Most will remember Bondy's sporting achievement - winning against the Americans and breaking their 132 year yachting history. Consequently Australians support their tax dollars being spent to fund training programs, furthermore they pay money to enter stadiums where they can cheer encouragement. All this is part and parcel of the Australian identity. But of course if individuals lack affinity with other people in their country, they will not have any desire to support anyone except themselves. Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 7 June 2015 11:03:33 AM
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The 'affinity' that Alan Bond and Labor PM Bob Hawke who cozied up to him had for the investors who lost their life savings?
Bond didn't win the Cup, rather he rode that wagon as frauds do to win credibility, using and risking other people's money to do so. Full credit to the designers and yachtsmen. Commiserations to the sad old folk whose nest eggs were lost in Bond's failures. I wonder how many of them lived impoverished retirements and could not contribute to the education and care of their grandchildren either. Fox, does your Googling provide any credible explanation for how Bond could show up in Court with that bevvy of Silks to defend his 'bankrupted' self and how he was able to continue that lavish lifestyle? You might also Google 'WA Inc'. While you are at it, reflect on the sad reality that it took private individuals, NOT the 'fact-finding' media (what a joke that is!) or politicians to have anything done about WA Inc. Bond University was a good idea and it is successful. Quite properly, Bond is remembered for that. Bond University was bitterly resisted, sledged and defamed by leftists who bridled at the very mention of any education that isn't centralist and State controlled (and being public and taxpayer-funded, also lacking in performance measures for the teaching staff of course). Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 7 June 2015 1:47:30 PM
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Alan Bond's support of Australia's America Cup
Dream made him a public hero and saw him awarded the honour of Australian of the Year in 1978. Mr Bond helped bankroll Australia's bid to break the US stranglehold on the prestigious America's Cup. His syndicate made history winning the Cup in 1983 with yacht Australia II. The win ended the hosts' 132 year winning streak - the longest in the history of sport. The victory transcended sailing, becoming the symbol of a time when Australia came of age and made its mark on the international stage. Whatever else Bondy may have done later - this win is something that he shall be associated with in the history of the America's Cup. It was a first and possibly the last win by an outside challenger. And those who love sport and sailing will not forget the event. Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 7 June 2015 6:32:26 PM
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//Bond University was a good idea and it is successful. Quite properly, Bond is remembered for that.//
//Whatever else Bondy may have done later - this win is something that he shall be associated with in the history of the America's Cup. It was a first and possibly the last win by an outside challenger. And those who love sport and sailing will not forget the event.// I like universities. I like sport, and sailing. I do not like crooks. Are we just going to forget the fact that man was as straight as a boomerang because he invested in somebody else's ingenuity and had a university named after him? Such convenient amnesia... Bond was a thieving lowlife, and the achievements of other sailors and other engineers do not absolve him of his guilt. Posted by Toni Lavis, Sunday, 7 June 2015 7:11:17 PM
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Dear Toni,
Thank You for sharing your opinion with us. You say it so eloquently (and precisely too). Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 7 June 2015 7:39:19 PM
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I doubt that most Americans are even aware of the Americas Cup. I am an American who now lives in Australia. Shortly after I came here a woman asked me, "What do they do in the US when the Melbourne Cup is held?"
Since elections are held the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November we usually have elections. Bond was a crook. We have many of those in the US. Many US crooks are also interested in sport. Like Australia the US also overemphasises sport. In Modern English Usage by Fowler p. 547. “The writers most of all addicted to it [sobriquets] are the sporting reporters; games and contests are exciting to take part in, interesting or even exciting also to watch, but essentially (i. e. as bare facts) dull to read about; insomuch that most intelligent people abandon such reading; the reporter conscious that his matter & his audience are both dull enough to require enlivening thinks that the needful fillip may be given if he calls fishing the gentle craft, a ball the pill or the leather, a captain the skipper, or a saddle the pigskin, & so makes his description a series of momentary puzzles that shall pleasantly titillate inactive minds.” Posted by david f, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 11:18:44 AM
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Dear David F.,
We have to take things in context. At the time of Alan Bond's team winning the America's Cup - sailing's greatest trophy - it was a pretty big deal - both in the United States and across the Pacific. However, things changed since then as the following website explains: http://thediplomat.com/2013/09/americas-cup-what-happened-to-sailings-greatest-trophy/ As far as sports fans are concerned? Forbes Magazine tells us that some people take being sports fans to the extreme. They attend games, they buy apparel, they live and die with each pitch, pass, shot. English soccer fans travel with their teams. They sing at the top of their lungs, and sometimes cause mayhem on the streets and in stadiums. American sports fans are just as enthusiastic. Lighting up internet fan sites, travelling huge distances to see games, buying merchandise, and even brawling at the ballpark. Just look at the fans all over the country who follow every pitch of their Boston Red Sox. No matter what Bondy did - and was charged with - he will be remembered by many - for the America's Cup win! Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 2:06:12 PM
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Posted by onthebeach, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 3:22:31 PM
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Dear Foxy,
Although I am old and crotchety I am not an athletic supporter. Posted by david f, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 3:40:20 PM
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david f, "I am not an athletic supporter"
Heh, heh, there are some who are and strapping fellows, all. Posted by onthebeach, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 4:03:57 PM
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As an ex-pat American I was in Fiji when Australia won the Cup. I wasn't aware the event was being held and upon meeting some Australians, they all began to tease me about beating the Yanks and now Australia had the Cup.
I honestly never even heard of the Americas Cup before that day. And I believe at the time not many Americans really cared. You see, the word yacht in America means a lot more than a sail boat. Yachts and yachting are the domain of the very rich, the snobbishly rich, and the average American can't stand these people. Like myself, most Americans were probably happy for Australia. For me the name Alan Bond just resonates another rich crook with so much money (in this case other people's money) he could blow multi-millions on essentially a party. The sailors deserve the praise, not Alan Bond. Posted by ConservativeHippie, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 5:12:52 PM
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Dear ConservativeHippie,
Of course the sailors and the keel designer all deserve the praise. But if it hadn't been for Alan Bond helping to bank-roll Australia's bid to break the US stranglehold on the America's Cup - Australia would never have had the chance to even compete let alone win. Sailing has always been the sport of the rich. So - you've got to give credit where credit is due. Plus as stated earlier - the vitory transcended sailing, becoming the symbol of a time when Australia came of age and made its mark on the international stage. Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 6:35:53 PM
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businessman - Alan Bond died today - 5th June 2015
from complications of the heart operation he had earlier
in the week (open heart surgery - 2nd June 2015).
I can still recall the joy that his team's winning the
1983 America's Cup brought to many of us when the New
York Yacht Club lost for the first time in its 132 year
history to us - Australians.
I don't know that much about Mr Bond's financial dealings -
I do know that he was a very colourful character - and
I wish his family and loved ones my deepest sympathy.
May he Rest In Peace.
How do the rest of you remember him?