I think it should be a conscience vote.

......

Aside from that, who couldn't be entertained by another otb special!

His posts are a veritable celebration of repetitive jargon to denigrate the left - each baring little difference to the ones before - no matter what the subject matter.

Here's a quick tally (hope I got 'em all)

Leftie/leftist - 3 (mentions)

Progressives - 3

Fabian - 1

Feminists 2

Socialists - 2

Marxism - 1

Most entertaining - and all from one frothy post!

They are labels they go by and laden terms/symbolism they use.

However, like some on OLO (and the frivolous sequinned, pear-shaped Abbottophobic one would be among them), they wouldn't recognise the real Left if there was a large street sign sign showing them the way. The real Left are rolling in their graves at the BS and pretences of this lot.

Labor does need to clean out the gaggle of superficial 'Progressive' elitist careerists who abuse their positions in the Party for their own ends, to gain power and benefits for themselves (illegally where some are concerned).

It is impossible for Labor to return to its roots and represent members where corruption has ensured that all votes are weighed against members in favour of factions that are controlled by Union heavies. Heads the factions win and tails the members lose, quite simple and undemocratic.

Now, will someone volunteer to play Poirot's forum parlour game of 'Tit-for-Tat', where Poirot never makes fair exchange and Abbottophobia rules? Where is Shadow Minister with his rolled up newspaper and unerring aim?

Galaxy Research Polling (2009 - 2012) shows -

* 64% of Australians support samesex marriage
* A majority of Christians (53%) support samesex marriage
* 76% of Calition voters want Mr Abbott to allow a conscience vote
* 75% believe the reform is inevitable and -
* 81% of young people (18 - 24 years) support samesex marriage

These figures are a significant advance on 2004 figures, when a
Newspoll commissioned by SBS found that 38% of Australisns
support the reform.

There are heaps on other polls on the web that present
the same statistics including a survey done recently by
the Liberal Party's own polster.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/poll-shows-growing-support-for-samesex-marriage-20140714-3bxaj.html

Fox,

There is a credibility gap there of Capertee Valley proportions.

If such huge numbers support 'gay marriage' why aren't the political parties capitalising on it?

Is there some shifty in the definitions, numbers and comparisons you make? Prove the limitations of the surveys were taken into account and you are comparing apples with apples.

After all, the real poll is how representatives vote and not so long ago politicians went back to consult their constituencies and when they came back there was NO majority support for 'gay marriage'.

There is a good video available somewhere on how the cosmetic industry (an example chosen) is able to prove absolutely anything is beaut for women and by independent research including surveys.

It is all in the words, or in your case, in the narrative.

otb,

It is not "my" narrative Sir, but those
of Galaxy Research Polling (2009-2012).
I have merely presented their findings.
As well as an article from the Sydney Morning
Herald.

While you Sir, have not presented any evidence
to us in this discussion to substantiate
any of your sweeping generalisations/and or - claims.
Until you do so - I cannot take you seriously.
Present us with facts and evidence - and you
may have more credibility. Currently your words don't
actually matter. We've heard them all before.

Lol! - otb,

"(and the frivolous sequinned, pear-shaped Abbottophobic one would be among them)"

"Now, will someone volunteer to play Poirot's forum parlour game of 'Tit-for-Tat', where Poirot never makes fair exchange and Abbottophobia rules? Where is Shadow Minister with his rolled up newspaper and unerring aim?"

I have to tell you that whenever you wax lyrical like that, I always imagine it's in the voice of Frank Thring.