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The rise and fall of ICAC

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The fact remains the Commission has done an outstanding job of uncovering systemic corruption in both the Liberal and Labor Parties here in NSW. The Greens through their Anti-corruption spokesperson Jamie Parker had this to say about the ICAC agreeing to set aside its findings of corruption by four businessmen in relation to the Obeids and Macdonald and the Mount Penny coal mining tenement.
"“The Premier’s equivocation since last week’s High Court decision has called into question the Liberal Government’s commitment to fighting corruption,” “This is a question of leadership for the Premier. He must decide whether NSW is open for corruption or not." “Earlier this week ICAC called on the NSW Government to consider amending section 8(2) of the ICAC Act ‘as a matter of priority’. The Greens reiterate our call for the government to commit to amending the ICAC Act to ensure NSW has an effective corruption fighting organisation. “The Premier’s refusal to actively support the ICAC will simply allow corruption to flourish,”.
The Greens is the party which is willing to stand up for the people on New South Wales and to see to it that the ICAC is given the powers to fight corruption in this state. No matter how much the Labor and Liberal Parties want to hide the corrupt activities of their members and supporters!
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 25 April 2015 8:39:15 PM
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I should have known Paul as a Green, you would want to don the funny hat and shoes and make yourself out to be the forums answer to the circus clown, and call the act forming ICAC and the constitutional separation of law courts and government to be "oversights"

What you and others forget, is that ICAC has no power to prosecute, and the very best that ICAC can do is point the finger to declare that someone acted corruptly and then recommend prosecution. Neither the NSW or federal governments can give it any more power, nor shield ICAC's decisions from review by the law courts.

The only modification that can be done is to expand ICAC's terms of reference to give it powers to investigate pretty much anyone for any crime no matter how petty. However, this won't stop the courts from throwing out unsupported findings and charging ICAC with costs.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 26 April 2015 9:27:03 AM
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Shadow, if it had not been for the ICAC, how would the systemic corruption in The Liberal Party, and the corruption of Labors Obeid and Macdonald have been uncovered? You choose to play the rightest soul out to protect the civil liberties of scoundrels and criminals. Does this sudden indignation, have more to do with the fact these businessmen are seen as friends of the Liberal and Labor Parties. I doubt we would see the same concern had those involved been from The Green, which of course they are not.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 26 April 2015 10:20:26 AM
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Paul,

Firstly catching a few libs that deviated from funding laws that the greens happily flout federally is not systemic corruption, especially since the last time the law was challenged, it failed.

Secondly, the corruption of Obeid, Macdonald etc was pretty much open knowledge at the time which any decent police investigation would have rooted out. Finally, you fail to provide any guidance as to how Baird should bypass the constitution.

If ICAC does get extended powers, the next stop is a thorough investigation of the systemic corruption in the unions through which labor and the greens launder their donations.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 26 April 2015 11:45:17 AM
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Shadow,

We are getting to the nitty-gritty of your whole argument! Nothing to do with Jurisprudence, but a lot to do with sour grapes, as a conga line of corrupt Liberals have been paraded before the ICAC to answer for their wrong doing, So much mud has stuck, Liberals were falling like nine pins, including another Liberal Primer, Barry O'Farrell. Do your best to sling some of your surplus Liberal mud at The Greens, but it will not stick, as The Greens have done nothing wrong, unlike Liberal and Labor politicians they have nothing to answer, a party of honest and virtuous polys with no corruption.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 26 April 2015 6:26:15 PM
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Paul,

I should have expected someone from the morally bankrupt greens to try and deflect the discussion from their own unethical acceptance of bribes laundered via the federal greens and unions and their monumental ignorance of the law.

Just a reminder:
The constitutional separation of the judicial system from government is not an "oversight", and neither is the Act founding ICAC (the body formed to investigate corruption in the public service) which limits ICAC to the public service.

But if your want a little jurisprudence here is a little tidbit:

The law limiting donations has only been tested in court once when the unions challenged the limitation on their donations to Labor. This application of the law was tossed out as it infringed on the constitutional right to be involved in the political system via donations. I would suspect that the first attempted prosecution of any of the ex lib MPs will similarly be dismissed.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 27 April 2015 11:00:54 AM
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