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Climate change, flooding and compensation

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My impression is that trying to link individual events to ACC is a belief based approach rather than an evidence based one.

There is some debate about the stall issue, most seem to admit that overall surface temperatures have not risen during the period but there are claims that the extra heat is accumulating deep in the ocean's.

Either way it's very hard to tie weather events to ACC unless significant rises are identified close to the ocean's surface or in the atmosphere and the evidence becomes somewhat clearer that said rises are caused by or significantly contributed to by human activity.

Far too often our disasters are the result of ignoring the extremes of the past. ACC was claimed as the cause of the floods in SE Qld a few years ago, as though Brisbane had no flood history. Have a read of the linked article on the 1893 floods in Brisbane http://www.ask.com/wiki/1893_Brisbane_flood?o=2802&qsrc=999&ad=doubleDown&an=apn&ap=ask.com Wivenhoe Dam provides some protection from such events now (but I doubt that if near full before the event much help would be gained during an event dumping over 900mm in a 24hr period.

As for government compensating for "bad" policy. So just who gets to decide which bad policies are worthy of compensation. I'm guessing the lists that could be drawn by those on the left and those on the right of the political spectrum would be vastly different. Generally both sides think the others policies are the cause of the harm they detest and that fix is more of their own approach (the approach the other side sees as the cause).

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 12:44:28 PM
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"Either way it's very hard to tie weather events to ACC unless significant rises are identified close to the ocean's surface or in the atmosphere and the evidence becomes somewhat clearer that said rises are caused by or significantly contributed to by human activity."

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/record-seasurface-temperatures-in-pacific-point-to-record-warmth-in-2015-and-2016-20150414-1mjooh.html?stb=twt

"Record sea-surface temperatures in Pacific point to record warmth in 2015 and 2016"

"Sea temperatures around Australia are posting "amazing" records that climate specialists say signal global records set in 2014 may be broken this year and next."

"March sea-surface temperatures in the Coral Sea region off Queensland broke the previous high by 0.12 degrees – a big jump for oceans that are typically more thermally stable than land."
Posted by Poirot, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 12:50:23 PM
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Let's say the Climate doomsayers are right. Evil CO2 is the cause of all weather changes and the slight increase in ocean temperature.

If the government passed a law to reduce all CO2 omissions by 75% by the end of 2016, does anyone believe that would change the weather we are experiencing in the immediate future? How is Australia going to stop a global event? New Zealand's actions have changed anything.

Did the Carbon Tax improve the weather before it was repealed?

If we are looking to blame someone (government) for not acting quick enough, why aren't we pointing the finger at Kevin Rudd and Penny Wong? They had their chance and muffed it.
Posted by ConservativeHippie, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 2:47:02 PM
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In a word; Prove it !
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 2:58:55 PM
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ConservahiveHippie,

Don't you know that volcanic action is triggered by an excess of greenhouse gas seeping in through the volcanic vents?

Climate change causes volcanoes to disrupt; ask Paul1405 he'll tell you the official Green explanation.
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 3:25:04 PM
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"Consumer group Choice is warning the cost of home insurance could almost double in the decades ahead with predictions extreme weather will become more common." The report was in relation to climate change.

Some property values could also reduce by as much as 20%. Some properties in general will also not be able to obtain insurance at all (because of damage caused by climate change) in the future, due to the location they live in.

The insurance industry rejects the price increase element by saying they: "Only price policies for the year ahead and do not take into account longer term projections".

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-05/insurance-premiums-in-many-areas-could-almost-double-due-to-cli/5501988

Well I believe they do. What the insurance lobby group (The Insurance Council of Australia) says is nonsense as they are in this business to make a profit and they will pass costs onto consumers.

So in this recent case, will the government provide assistance beyond insurance, and realise many have suffered - and realise the real impacts of climate change? Also now a number of other large countries are now seriously reconsidering their commitment to the issues around climate change and reaching targets on sustainable energy for example due to Australia's stance on the issue.
Posted by NathanJ, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 3:58:11 PM
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