cont'd ...

Why am I defending David Hicks.

I'm not.

I am merely correcting the misinformation that's
out there about the case and presenting it -
as given by people actually involved.

Ocupational habit.

Plus I do believe in the rule of law, and due process.

o sung wu, "Coming home from Vietnam nearly 50 years ago, we had to almost 'sneak' into our own country, because our presence might upset somebody? Yet this treacherous bastard, this maggot is welcomed home, like a returning hero?"

The leftists have no moral compass that is why. It is all political to them. All signed up for the international socialists' 'Progressive' agenda, they hate the US and the US alliance.

Our inherited democratic traditions and sense of freedom constantly get in their way. So the culturally cringing leftists despise the UK too.

FOXY...

I in turn would put the same question to you ? What exculpatory evidence do you wish to submit it defence of Mr Hicks and his actions whilst training with terrorists in Pakistan and Afghanistan ? He was photographed with bin Laden himself, whilst 'draped' or attired in terrorist armaments and accoutrements ! Good God what more empirical proof do you need ! As I've said in a previous topic, he was very very lucky that he wasn't shot, by the US troops at the time of his capture ? FOXY, I really don't understand why you simply 'don't get it' ? This idiot was armed and in company with a known terrorists group, while our allies were fighting there ! Why is it you don't seem to understand ? You speak of the rule of law, you have an abundance of evidence before you !

Dear O Sung Wu,

Kindly go back and re-read my posts.
I am tired of repeating it.
The infamous photographs that you're
referring to of David Hicks with an
unloaded RPG was taken in Albania when
Hicks was training with the Kosovo Liberation
Army under NATO.

And again - I repeat that David Hicks did not
fight against Australian or US troops.
There were no Coalition forces on the ground in
Kunduz at the time Hicks was there. David Hicks
did not fire on shot outside of military
training in Afghanistan - this was acknowledged
by the United States. David Hicks did not at any
time engage foreign soldiers in combat.

As I said go back and read my posts - and where I
got the information from. If you have evidence to
the contrary - kindly present it.

otb,

What kind of circles do you move in that
you can proclaim to know so much about "leftists."
Most normal people wouldn't know the political
inclinations of other people and yet you tell us that
"leftists" have no moral compass. That they hate the
US and the Uk too. Really?

Who are these leftists you're talking about -
and how many of them are there.
Do you meet them individually - in groups, or do
you belong to some leftist organisation. Please share
with us, and be specific. Do tell.

There are so many different types of leftists -
according to Wikipedia. - There's the notable Christian
leftists - Father Frank Brennan the Jesuit and advocate
for Australia's Indigenous People is one. I think he's
got a very strong moral compass. Then there's Jewish
Leftists, and the list goes on.

Wikipedia tells us
as with any section within the left and right wings of a
political system - labels represent only an approximation,
including within its groups - persons holding many
different viewpoints.

The term leftist might actually encompass a number of values -
some of which may or may not be held by different individuals.

Your arguments are appear again to be - rather sweeping in their
scope and according to Wikipedia at least - not quite valid.

My suggestion to you is - try a different approach - next time.
Don't be lazy with the usual intellectual rubbish.
We'd love to be surprised.

FOXY...

I'm very sorry to have tested your patience, it would now appear you consider yourself the sole font of all factual knowledge, on any and all, subjects upon which you regularly pontificate. I've heard, as well as hundreds of thousands of other listeners on 2GB (Alan JONES) and various statements that have intermittently emanated from Radio National (the ABC), of an entirely different version of the facts that you purport are true.

It would appear prima facie, that you claim 'precise' knowledge of one version of events ? While many others, claim a version that is entirely different from yours ? I don't believe your claims have any greater degree of efficacy, than many others who have a entirely contrary version !

Therefore for this reason I'll not be drawn any further on the subject of David HICKS with you personally. As I've hitherto, always had a great deal of respect, both for your intellect and your character per se, Accordingly, I do not wish to be rude, particularly if I continue 'sparring' in this way. Put simply, David HICKS is just not worth it, not worth it at all ! The man is an unmitigated low life.