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Go Tony go.

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Poirot,

Sorry, but it must be your acute Abbottophobia that overlooks a terrorist plot AND the critical weaknesses in immigration policy and administration that allowed the offenders into the country in the first place.

When will that promised review of Immigration take place?
Posted by onthebeach, Friday, 13 February 2015 7:12:59 AM
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Abbott worshippers only.
Prime Minister Tony Abbott yesterday attacked the Australian Human Rights Commission over its report into children in immigration detention, saying "the Human Rights Commission should be ashamed of itself".

No, Mr Abbott – it is you and your government that should be ashamed. By seeking to politicise the report and its findings, by seeking to demonise commission president Gillian Triggs, the government compounds its own failures and those of preceding governments. It has tried to shift attention to anyone and everyone, while accepting no responsibility, which only magnifies its own shameful behaviour.
Shoppers in Sydney’s Central Business District were in for a surprise last week.
Passers by were asked to “free” a child from a cage filled with dolls to represent the 1023 children currently in Australian Immigration Detention Centres. Run by the Australian Coalition to End Child Detention, it now plans to tour nationally.
The arrest, detention or imprisonment of a child shall be in conformity with the law and shall be used only as a measure of last resort and for the shortest appropriate period of time.

The experts Fact Check spoke to said Professor Triggs was right that international law does not allow for the detention of children for longer than absolutely necessary.

The United Nations guidelines on the detention of asylum seekers also make it clear that children, protected by the Convention on the Rights of the Child, should not be placed in detention for any length of time.
Posted by 579, Friday, 13 February 2015 8:28:36 AM
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579,

You conveniently missed this,

"What you are silent about is that there were 2,000 children in detention under the previous Labor/Greens government and 1,400 children in detention at the time of the federal election that swept Labor from power.

As Tony Abbott argues, his government has saved many from drowning at sea by putting the people smuggling gangs out of business and at the same time there are fewer children in camps. It is not Abbott or Australia who is responsible for putting those children at risk in the first place.

Tony Abbott also asked quite rightly what the Human Rights Commission was doing during the watch of the previous Labor/Greens government when hundreds were drowning at sea and there were far higher numbers of children in detention.

It does seem that the Human Rights Commission needs to come up with some good explanations and fast."

[Posted by onthebeach, Thursday, 12 February 2015 3:42:54 PM]

200 now and going down, as opposed to 2,000 during the Labor+Greens government and 1,400 when the federal election was held. -Abbott seems to have a strong case for challenging the Human Rights Commission.
Posted by onthebeach, Friday, 13 February 2015 8:46:49 AM
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I did not miss anything the report covered times from both sides of govt; These kids are still there. That is what the report is about.

During a heated debate in Question Senator Johnston lashed out at the Adelaide-based Australian Submarine Corporation (ASC), saying he would not trust it to "build a canoe". Officials from the Defence Materiel Organisation (DMO) questioned Australia's capacity to build submarines during high levels talks with Japanese and European manufacturers late last year.
Posted by 579, Friday, 13 February 2015 8:53:00 AM
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579,

Precisely where and when did the Human Rights Commission attack Rudd for overturning Howard's Pacific Solution, directly encouraging criminal people smuggling gangs and resulting in hundreds dying at sea and hordes of economic migrants arriving on naval vessels that they and the co-conspirators of people smugglers in Australia regarded as sea cabs?

2.000 children under Labor's watch and 1,400 at time of election, but back to 200 now. Any reasonable person would expect the Human Rights Commission to be applauding the new LNP government for its achievements and so fast too, despite log-rolling in their way by the feckless Greens and Labor.
Posted by onthebeach, Friday, 13 February 2015 9:10:27 AM
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otb,

"Sorry, but it must be your acute Abbottophobia that overlooks a terrorist plot...."

Sorry, but I believe the term you are looking for is "alleged terrorist plot"....as opposed to convenient raids whenever the govt finds itself on a sticky wicket (such as the Human Rights report being released)

Silly I know, but Australia still adheres to certain legal conventions.

But I've had to reassess the question of how much Peta Credlin was responsible for Abbott's woeful display as PM.

Yes, she was responsible for choreographing this govt's policy direction - and that has been a failure - nevertheless it's always a big ask to unload reality after deceiving the electorate.

Judging by Abbott's behaviour since her services have been largely mothballed, it's clear that she undertook a huge assignment in attempting to fashion an attack dog Opposition leader into a Prime Minister of substance.

Didn't work at all.

His behaviour sans Ms Credlin's guiding whip has degenerated into the bizarre - and there's more to come.

Next libspill is not very far away.
Posted by Poirot, Friday, 13 February 2015 9:57:40 AM
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