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Go Tony go.

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It's not only terrorism that should be a
concern. We see the pain caused by our
ineffective legal system.

Time and time again we hear about abuse, assaults,
murder, committed by people who should never have been
released on bail.

The case of Man Haron Monis comes to mind who was known
to police for years before the siege - yet he was
released out on bail and look what happened.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 11:01:20 AM
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otb,

"Poirot,

Your Abbotophobia is leading you to believe that Omar Al-Kutobi and Mohammad Kiad are a Tony Abbott plot to foil unrest among a few backbenchers?

Terrorism is now a fact of life in Australia. Bleeding heart slackness in migrant screening has seen to that."

And you're a gullible bunny who can't see beyond Abbott's garbage.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/opinion/tony-abbotts-national-security-rhetoric-is-cynical-dog-whistling-and-all-about-his-unpopularity/story-fnihsr9v-1227221694565

"So far the “good government” schtick has fallen a bit flat, what with the submarine fiasco (Labor’s fault) and the axing of Chief Whip Philip Ruddock, the latter move which managed all at once to constitute a broken promise (“no retributions”), a surprise, and a captain’s pick – a veritable trifecta of good government twerking in action.

Now Tony is declaring a war on people of dubious ’Strayan-ness who may or may not be bludging off benefits and for whom normal legal niceties such as (the suspiciously foreign sounding) onus probandi need not necessarily apply."

"It is a tried and true formula, albeit patently desperate: whip up us much fear, xenophobia and resentment as possible, then assure a restive populace that you are working hard – in fact you “have a plan” – to allay those fears.

This involves siphoning all the hate and suspicion off on to a third party, in this case people fleeing persecution in a foreign land, those who might believe in a different brand of imaginary friend, or – and it’s an oldie but a goodie – those welfare mendicants who view poverty as a lifestyle choice and clearly think a jobless-to-job-vacancy ratio of 5:1 is some sort of explanation for their indolence.

All that’s missing now is a mass mailout of fridge magnets (perhaps we could retool our naval shipyards for their production), a three-word slogan and an “Operation Something Something” title.'

http://www.theshovel.com.au/2015/02/17/abbott-determined-to-get-on-with-serious-business-of-saying-death-cult/

Abbott Determined To Get On With Serious Business Of Saying ‘Death Cult’
Posted by Poirot, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 11:11:45 AM
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/12/justice-fairness-who-needs-them-when-weve-got-abbott-and-co?CMP=share_btn_tw

"Our national impoverishment, at the hands of poor-quality leaders, knows no bounds.

A police media conference and flourishes from politicians accompanied the arrest, charging and court appearances of two men on terrorism-related allegations...."

This offence is to be found in the Commonwealth Criminal Code and applies even if the preparation or planning is not done in relation to a specific terrorism act. The maximum penalty either way is life imprisonment.

Details are scant. The police claim that “a number of items were seized” in raids on premises at Fairfield in Sydney’s west, including a video, a flag, a machete and a hunting knife. The police have not said so publicly, but the Daily Telegraph declares this was a “plot to behead on our streets”.

Never mind the prejudice. Normally once someone has been charged with a criminal offence, publication of overheated and prejudicial comments is off limits. Not so for a poll-starved prime minister who is keen to politicise this branch of the criminal law:

This was an imminent attack in Australia inspired by the Isil or Da’esh death cult.

He added: “This is a serious problem and I fear ... it will get worse before it gets better.”

What bits of this turn out to be true or false will ultimately be up to a NSW supreme court jury, not Tony Abbott...Why do we bother with a criminal justice system at all when we have a fearless leader handing down off-the-cuff verdicts?"

Abbott then went back into the parliament and selectively quoted parts of what one of the accused allegedly said on the video, about “stabbing the kidneys and striking the necks”. The prime minister added:

"I don’t think it would be possible to witness uglier fanaticism than this - more monstrous fanaticism and extremism than this - and I regret to say it is now present in our country."

"On the basis of minimal information and a tide of leaks from self-interested parties, the process of justice has taken a back seat to fear-mongering and grandstanding politicians."
Posted by Poirot, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 11:33:27 AM
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Dear Foxy,

Please spare a thought too for those who were deemed to be 'not ready for release', despite the fact that they wouldn't have re-offended if they were released.
Posted by AJ Philips, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 11:50:09 AM
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"Islam is the world's second largest religion. According to a 2010 study and released January 2011, Islam has 1.57 billion adherents, making up over 23% of the world population. According to the Pew Research Centre in 2010 there were 49 Muslim-majority countries."

Currently Muslims make up approximately 2% of the Australian population.

"The Muslim population of Britain topped 3.3 million by the end of 2013 to become around 5.2% of the overall population of 63 million, according to figures extrapolated from a recent study on the growth of the Muslim population in Europe.

At the same time, opinion surveys consistently show that voters in Britain view Islam and the question of Muslim immigration as a top-ranked public concern. The British public, it seems, is increasingly worried about the establishment of a parallel Muslim society there."

Get the message Poirot.

An increase from 2% - 5% will make Australian a different country. 2% is acceptable, it has to be because that's the way it is. But we don't need to open the doors to Muslim immigrants, especially the unskilled, uneducated potential welfare recipients. We have an acceptable balance now.

We need to face the truth about Muslim expansionism. Australia doesn't need to risk the same avoidable problems GB, France, Germany, The Netherlands, Italy and the rest of Europe have experienced by allowing too many Islamic immigrants into their countries. We only have one shot at getting it right because once the scale is tipped, there's no going back.

Perhaps there should be a referendum on this subject and let the people decide our future.
Posted by ConservativeHippie, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 12:05:47 PM
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Poirot,

You've got to stop wasting your days dog-whistling against Abbott. At least Peta Credlin is getting a bit of a rest.LOL
Posted by onthebeach, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 12:17:33 PM
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