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NY Times; Bush + Cheney should be prosecuted for crimes of torture.

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The evidence has been in the public arena for a long time,but why has it taken so long for MSM to acknowledge it? http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/22/opinion/prosecute-torturers-and-their-bosses.html
Posted by Arjay, Friday, 9 January 2015 6:58:05 PM
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Answer - Look who controls the media.
Also it took till now because the media rely on politicians for stories, etc also.
The IRS, CIA, FCC and hundreds of other Government agencies can make life very hard for people and to appease the politicians they will do it.
It is something like nearly all the media (MSM) in America is in the hand of 6 companies.
Time Warner
Walt Disney
Viacom
News Corporation
CBS Corporation
NBC Universal
Posted by Philip S, Saturday, 10 January 2015 1:31:53 AM
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Philip s. Bush and Obama should also to tried for destroying the US constitution. There are a whole litany of crimes that need to be investigated and 911 is the big one.

Why MSM is raising this now seems strange when they have ignored so many wrongs and continue to do so. Perhaps they want to have some semblance of credibility as they are losing readership rapidly.
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 10 January 2015 10:00:31 AM
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Dick Cheney is feeling the pressure. http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/01/dick-cheney-has-protesters-arrested-at-demonstration-outside-of-his-house/
Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 11 January 2015 11:09:16 AM
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Dear Arjay,

Do you really believe that Bush and or Cheney will
ever be called to account for their actions?
Look at history.

Both the Nazis and the Communists
had committed unheard of cruelties. Concentration
camps on both sides of the front operated at a high
pitch prior to and during the war years.

While half of the criminals, the Nazis, have been
pursued all over the world for their crimes, the
other half, the communist criminals were allowed to go
free. In fact they sat as judges in the trials at
Nuremberg.

They were, in effect, given tacit
permission to continue the operation of their
concentration camps, to expand their draconian systems
to include psychiatric wards, thereby raising torture,
suppression, and murder to a science. The fact that
the process persisted was vividly disclosed to the
free world by Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn in his book,
"The Gulag Archipelago."

I very much doubt whether Bush and Cheney will ever
be called to account for anything.

Between 1944 and 1947 the Western Allies handed over
to Stalin more than two million Soviet citizens, some
of whom had been serving under German command, and who
had surrendered to Field Marshall Alexander's forces
advancing into Austria from Italy. At the same time,
many thousands of anti-Communist Yugoslavs, refugees or
members of military and para-military units, were
similarly handed over to Tito's partisans. Both categories
were either summarily or eventually slaughtered, often
in circumstances of extreme cruelty.

The major part of this story was told by Nikolai Tolstoy
in his 1978 best-selling work, "Victims of Yalta."
However, in this book there was one incident - the handing
over of some 40,000 Cossacks and White Russians, including
many women and children which perplexed Tolstoy and led
him on the journey of historical detection and resulted in
another book, "The Minister and the Massacres."

Tolstoy was involved in a court-case - which he lost,
and was bankrupted as a result.

Therefore I very much doubt a different result in the case
of the US.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 11 January 2015 12:48:43 PM
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Foxy I agree. Bush,Cheney, Obama ,Rumsfeld,Gillard won't be prosecuted in our life time because they have the dirt on a whole host of other people of power including judges and politicians whom they will take down with them if they go down.

The West has become totally corrupt like the Roman Empire and has no moral compass but I like to highlight a spark of conscience in our MSM which Gerald Celente nick named "the pressitutes"
Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 11 January 2015 4:54:16 PM
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Well John Howard our ex PM is facing real criminal charges.
http://theaimn.com/complaint-john-howard-international-criminal-court/
Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 11 January 2015 7:22:44 PM
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John Howard may well be in deep do do,since this involves international criminal justice.
“The International Criminal Court now has jurisdiction over war crimes and crimes against humanity … It attributes criminal responsibility to individuals responsible for planning military action that violates international humanitarian law and those who carried it out. It specifically extends criminal liability to heads of state, leaders of governments, parliamentarians, government officials and military personnel.”

The Australian Government, led by Mr. Howard, defied legal opinion. Parliament was adjourned on 8 March 2003. In the late hours of 17 March 2003, Mr. Howard and his Cabinet voted to authorise Australian air, land and naval personnel to attack Iraq. US Assistant Secretary of State Richard Armitage made an official request for the involvement of Australian troops late on the night of March 20. It later became known that Australian special operations troops, with Cabinet authorisation, had entered Iraq as much as 30 hours before the outbreak of war.
Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 11 January 2015 7:31:49 PM
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No he's not, Arjay.

>>Well John Howard our ex PM is facing real criminal charges.<<

More febrile childishness.

A bunch of conspiracy nuts have put together a rambling concoction of emotive tosh, which they have sent to the AFP, the DPP, and the International Criminal Court in The Hague.

The AFP and the DPP were polite enough to respond, thereby wasting some taxpayer dollars. But the International Criminal Court have so far taken sixteen months to - equally politely - ignore them completely. Let's face it, they probably get as many of these as I get Nigerian spam emails, and find them just as convincing.

I expect your mates in SEARCH are now busily "proving" that the ICC is actually run by the international bankster/military/industrial complex.
Posted by Pericles, Monday, 12 January 2015 7:57:38 AM
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How come I never hear you protesting about Hezbollah, Hamas, The Taliban, Al-Quieda, Boko Harum etc, & calling for any of these people to be held to account for their crimes. Could I see you marching & rioting in the streets calling for justice against them.

Why is that you only protest against the West? Strange that.
Posted by Jayb, Monday, 12 January 2015 10:51:32 AM
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Dear Arjay,

During the US Civil War that great traitor, Robert E. Lee, led an army against his country and fought for the despicable crime of human slavery. That great traitor and most of the other traitors who followed him were not prosecuted for their treason. They were allowed to go home and live in peace. Justice was not done. If justice had been done the country would have continued to be torn apart, and there would have continued to be great human suffering. Weighing the human suffering resulting from attempts to mete justice against justice for the criminals I think Lincoln did the right thing.

I think Bush and Cheney were great criminals, but Obama in attempting to bring them to justice would have torn the US apart which would have created more suffering and injustice. I wish they could have been brought before the bar of justice in a dispassionate atmosphere, but the reality is that it is not possible.
Posted by david f, Monday, 12 January 2015 2:38:55 PM
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David f .Obama does not look like the good guy. Our bankster puppet masters did not put him in power to give power back to the people. Obama further trashed the US Constitution with the NDAA and legalising assassination like we did recently.

Ray McGovern (ex CIA senior analyst)says that he knows Obama fears assassination because of a friend who attended a private dinner with him. Obama was asked why he had not pursued the ideals of his pre-election speeches. Obama's reply was," Don't you remember what they did to Martin Luther King Jr ?"
Posted by Arjay, Monday, 12 January 2015 10:08:04 PM
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Dear Arjay,

Where did I say that Obama looks like a good guy?

The Constitution has been repeatedly trashed. Giving Congress the power to declare war was meant to prevent the president from putting the US armed forces into action without such a declaration. The last declaration of war was after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

All the wars since WW2 have been illegal since there has been no declaration
Posted by david f, Monday, 12 January 2015 10:27:44 PM
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Thanks David f. Agreed.
Posted by Arjay, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 7:44:14 PM
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