Sorry o sung wu that relationship fell into a hole when they effectively withdrew from the ANZUS treaty by the grand gesture of banning nuclear powered or armed ships from their waters.

They also played games by letting in people they knew were bound for OZ by the NZ back door.

They elected politicians we could not trust, so we had to take action. It really is a pity.

Even if there was a time in the late 90's that justified a change in policy, it isn't fair to be punishing Kiwis now, who have lived here for 5, 7, 10, or 13 years and proven themselves worthy members of society. Most of the people in detention camps eventually get residency, yet Kiwis are permanently stuck in limbo.

A fair policy would allow recognition and permanent residency status for those who are hard working tax payers after X number of years.

Most Aussies don't know about this and about 8/10 don't care after they know. Literally no one of importance is standing up for the Kiwis. The media isn't interested either.

Hassy, I hope you are not referring to David Lange and Robert 'Piggy' Muldoon, although politically polls apart they were both personal friends of my partner "T" with Mr Lange attending her wedding to her late husband of 40 years.

Thanks HASBEEN and CONSERVATIVE HIPPIE...

Oh well, trust a group of misguided politicians to bugger things up once again ? It's a real pity that we couldn't at least try to overcome this minor impasse ? NZ re-entering ANZUS (it's really for their own benefit too?) by strengthening the combined alliance, and tightening up on those who wish to ultimately use Kiwiland as a springboard into Oz ? Again, it would benefit both nations, by regulating and monitoring those who wish to (initially) transit or enter NZ, en route to Australia ? I would've thought everybody wins ?

o sung wu,

Would you want to get involved in mires like this,

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11362274

and this,

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9675650/Address-Maori-male-violence-says-MP

just to take a couple of examples?

Some who now say federation is Ok could turn around to be activists for the opposite. Remember the Ireland and Scotland examples?

It would be impossible for a federal government to manage NZ from Australia. The Kiwis would want all care and no responsibility, just give us more money, and the federal government would be saying you've had your share.

Imagine the indigenous Maoris making larger claims from an assumed larger bucket? They would want parity with Aborigines wouldn't they?

What a mess, and perfect opportunities for the victim industries to renew and maximise their takes from the Taxpayers. Good god, think of the lawyers lining up to stir the pot with even larger, more exotic limos in mind.

o sung wo,

Sorry I may have mixed you up with others proposing federation of NZ and Oz.

On the back door immigration, yes that has been a problem for a long time.