Aiden, Shadow would like to know if he could switch this debate with you to one about quantum physics? Like economics it is another subject he knows absolutely nothing about, but he was hoping unlike economics you would also know nothing about quantum physics either, and therefore the debate would be on a level playing field! So much for Shadows degree from the Cocky Joe Hockey School of Economics, not worth the paper its written on.

Aiden,

Having spent some time reading bilbo's bloggings I have yet to find any mathematical treatment of economics, and at best contains fuzzy justifications for some of his more outlandish opinions.

Before you seriously try and debate economics you should read at least one first year economics text to give you a rudimentary understanding of the concepts so that you don't sound like a blind person debating the use of colour by Van Gogh.

Paul,

Unfortunately for you some basic quantum mechanics is generally taught in Electrical engineering to understand the behaviour of electrons in conductors and semiconductors.

I now realise that the greens fervent preachings on all topics is based on complete ignorance of anything technical.

Top of the morning to you Shadow, I hope a bright and Sunny Sunday morning has greeted you this day, wherever you are.

"I now realise that the greens fervent preachings on all topics is based on complete ignorance of anything technical."
Not so old chum, for example, Dr John Kaye a Greens MP in the NSW Legislative Council is a qualified Electrical Engineer, do you have a doctorate, what has Cocky Joe got? I myself, am a qualified Mechanical Engineer, with additional qualifications in both Production and Structural engineering. Many Greens I know, have tertiary qualifications, not like most in the Labor and Liberal Parties members.

Please do not be miffed that you lose all these arguments on the forum, I am sure one day you will have a win, yes one day, but not today.

Paul,

I'm glad you know one end of a spanner from another. At least it explains your contribution to the economics debate at the level of chimpanzee throwing poo, and your strutting around like the proverbial pigeon.

I suggest you read:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Economics-Richard-G-Lipsey/dp/0199257841/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1292107260&sr=8-2

or something similar and finally you might understand why you belief that you won the argument was based on pigeon logic.

Shadow, I like you have only a rudimentary understanding of economics, and freely admit that fact, but unlike you rather than make a fool of myself by trying to debate with someone who is an expert on the subject, in your case Aidan, I sit back and read your mumbo jumbo with glee.
The publishers of those "Dummies" books have just for you 'Economics For Dummies' I suggest you could add it all the other "Dummies" books you have purchased over the years. But be warned, reading them would help.

http://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/economics-for-dummies-book-wy70879481?cm_mmc=google-_-inventory+driven+search-_-Small+Business+Books-_-WY70879481&cm_mmca3=conversion&cm_mmca9=columbus&CAPCID=41942850025&cadevice=c&gclid=CjwKEAiA74qkBRCdrM-6or7U73QSJABCDL9pM9C3p2JHcAtdjUZ0L8msz0W_1L0WNeQ7ZZIHI-rU_BoC3lXw_wcB&CA_6C15C=620015440000264271

Paul,

I think you are suffering from dementia as I mentioned previously having a degree in economics and an MBA which covers high level economics financing law etc. I have been the project manager for projects in the hundreds of millions and have drawn up international contracts, forex hedging agreements etc based on my qualifications.

You and Aidan, however, share in having no formal education in economics whatsoever, so please don't refer to him as an expert based on him reading a few fringe blogs.

As for your economics for dummies, perhaps you should try those before tackling Eco 101.