Jayb said, "You have refused to answer the question about your sister So, I surmise that your story is Bulls#it."

You got it wrong, yet again. Your juvenile question has been answered half a day ago, and addressed directly to you. Maybe you should learn to read. Go to page 10 of the atheist thread, and get educated Jayb.

Paul 1405,
LOL, you shop at Lowes.
I have a growing collection of lumpy 3XL windcheaters and ill fitting flannelette shirts from Lowes due to the fact that my mother in law thinks that my back should be "warm" at all times.
You'd go for those voluminous nylon slacks they sell right? The ones with the extra deep pockets to hold your bag of peppermints, your glasses case and your dog eared copy of Power Without Glory?

Interesting link to the subject, here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burqa

Dear Is Mise,

Thank You for the link.

Most interesting and greatly appreciated.

Concealed identification in public has never been the custom of Australia, where the traditions and way of life are diametrically opposed to hiding behind a mask in public. Even full bearded men have attracted suspicion, making comments like "It's a mean dog that barks from behind a bus" not uncommon.

It is inconceivable that someone could show up to a naturalisation ceremony in a mask and continue to wear it, or even wearing sunglasses, during the ceremony and even while taking the Oath of Allegiance.

It isn't just a question of whether the lips can be seen moving, it is regarded as the height of ignorance and displaying contempt for the citizenship that is being awarded by Australians not just by the government that is supposed to be there to serve their interests and maintain their values and way of life.

The citizenship ceremony is not theatre for other values to be reaffirmed, but a place and time where the fortunate recipient of citizenship should be reserving and devoting his/her entire attention and respect to Australia.

Australians also regard it as intolerable where faced with a public official, or a company employee for that matter, who is providing front line service to them but is not displaying his/her face and eyes.

While there will always be some who find it convenient to scoff at that, there are examples where over the years the Australian cultural requirement, not just preference, for facial contact has been rigorously upheld. Imagine the uproar from the present defenders of the burka or veil, mask or "ruband" variously said to be 'chosen' or 'forced' on certain Muslim women, if they were to be 'confronted' by a police motorcyclist wearing dark glasses and the officer did not immediately remove them?

The same media outlets who now promote face masks previously ran campaigns (rightly too!) against police wearing sunglasses or removing identifying numbers and names.

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Australians should be showing their objection to masks being approved by political parties who cave in to media interference in policy and to blackmail threats by ethnic groups that they will withdraw their support. Such object by citizens should be done politely and civilly as is our way, for instance by objecting to serve on a jury where anyone in the Court is wearing a mask that conceals his/her face. Again, there is no need nor call to be impolite to a public official whop expects to scrutinise your face and facial reactions but you are never to see his/her own. Just excuse oneself and seek another appointment.

It is OUR right as Australians to maintain our culture too. It will be remembered at election time, it is the very foolish politician who believes that the public forget and will always be susceptible to their spin at a later time when votes are needed. The public know how these politicians and their parties regard the election as the sole time that the 'punters'(sic) get a say.

Any wonder that governments are being shown the exit door more readily these days?