Otb, if you recall, there were no 'progressives' in the US or Australia in government when we went into Iraq, or earlier into Afghanistan, as part of the 'Coalition of the Willing'. You do know that Bush is a Republican and Howard a Liberal? The silly slogan 'Coalition of the Willing' should have given you a clue. You know, like 'Team Australia', 'Operation bring them home', 'Be alert, not alarmed'.

Thinking of which, when are we going to get our fridge magnets? And I think a jersey is in order as well. Oh I forgot, we've got a budget crisis, can only afford raising money for medical slush funds and expensive paid parental leave.

And it's lovely how American 'conservatives' are rewriting history and claiming the civil rights movement with Martin Luther King as their own. They were screaming blue murder at the time. There are still lots of 'conservatives' very upset with all these uppity blacks not knowing their place. But as a Heston admirer you'll be pleased to know that finally there are some African-Americans taking the whole open carry seriously as freedom loving Americans and finally assimilating: http://www.guns.com/2014/08/21/huey-p-newton-gun-club-stages-open-carry-rally-through-dallas-video/

yvonne,

Nonsense, air-headed Gough Whitlam was already seduced by the Fabians aka 'Progressives' aka International Socialists back in the early Sixties when the Fabian push were interfering in Victorian Labor and succeeding.

As for your spiteful remarks regarding Charlton Heston, it is honour to be invited to address a year of graduating Harvard law students. -Heston did have something very topical and significant to say, he criticised the growing cultural war.

Recently, others such as Peter Hitchens have noted that the cultural war has now been waged, lost and the leftist 'Progressives' won. The political 'Progressives' are not so keen to admit their own mistakes though and are casting around for diversions and others to blame.

Beach, there you go again banging on about those, Fabians aka 'Progressives' aka International Socialists aka aka aka. You have never produced a shred of evidence that what you claim is true. Other than a Youtube bit featuring a dotty old woman, who you see as some kind of Miss Marple persona!
As for claiming Gough Whitlam was some air head seduced by the Fabians is nonsense, evidence please. Compared to his predecessor Billy Mcmahon and his successor Malcolm Fraser, Gough was a visionary and a statesman.

Well said yvonne.

<<And it's lovely how American 'conservatives' are rewriting history and claiming the civil rights movement yada yada yada >>

Sorry to disappoint, Yvonne

[and Paul 1405 please block your eyes so your little Green fairy stories are not undermined}

But Abraham Lincoln was a Republican and many of civil rights initiatives were championed by Republicans

Paul1405,

LOL You didn't even know of the existence of 'Progressives' until I explained it to you on this site. Before that you and others were adamant they didn't even exist! That was despite Labor leaders using the term for years, and some very often.

News alert, Paul1405 disagrees that Whitlam was a Fabian. Biographers take note!

History is also an big fail for the NSW 'Watermelon' Greens, apparently.

...In neither case was it necessary or legal but we did not have to slavishly follow the US into the Abyss as willing participants.

Robert, you're no doubt aware of just how close we come to being a japaneese occupied nation and, if not for the assistance from the US we would have done just that. Boy, the entitlement brigade would have had something to complain about had the US not come to our aid.

Besides, if we do get invaded, by anyone other than perhaps NZ, without the aid of the US we would be likened to going to battle with water pistols.

Heck, we can't even get many of our own off their backsides to strike a blow, let alone defend ourselves.

Frankly, if you think we don't need the likes of the US, you are dreaming.

As for our involvement in that war against terror, which I opposed by the way, the war didn't cause the multitude of dismal failures that the labor party resided over, as they were caused through arrogance and sheer incompitance from within the ranks of the labor party.