Dear Poirot,

I wonder if we should give him some cheese to go with
his whine?

Sorry, I read the thread you linked and as far as I can see there were a lot of the same generic motherhood statements.
Too, speeches from ten years ago had virtually no impact then and haven't matured well.
This thread, as in all attempts at discussing feminism, has been full of misdirection and playing the person, a virtual cliche in and of itself.
I have never said there weren't brave local women trying to change things in the aforementioned hell-holes but I have questioned what the Westerners who so loudly espouse feminism are actually DOING about it.
I offered my own life experiences to demonstrate the source of my opinions, and to show that I had put my life where my mouth is, apparently unlike the majority of staunch feminists in the West.
Feel free to criticize me all you like, it's irrelevant to me personally and to this thread as well, it only highlights the paucity of your intellectual position.

The following link may help clarify things
for you:

http://rightnow.org.au/writing-cat/article/australian-feminism-in-third-world-countries-beneficial-or-problematic/

G'dayBruce,

"This thread, as in all attempts at discussing feminism, has been full of misdirection and playing the person, a virtual cliche in and of itself."

For some reason you appear to believe that the tone you adopted towards the women on this thread was conducive to a meaningful discussion.

For the most part, it wasn't.

As for "playing the man"...

"[To Foxy] I notice too that you, like virtually ALL feminist types, totally ignore and avoid ANY discussion about the plight of women who really ARE repressed, in many countries, concentrating instead on grasping power and affluence in the West, to me that casts a harsh light indeed on your alleged principles. They appear to boil down to..
Stuff all the women suffering around the world, let them rot and die, I want power, money and influence for myself, here, now, and if I can't get it it MUST BE because you repress me, not because I lack the ability to achieve it for myself."

"I do notice however that the good lady hasn't responded to my questions nor to the link I posted, bit of a give-away or what?"

"Yvonne, you display the standard feminist response, unfortunately."

"Even the style and content of your post is a feminist cliche, as I said at the start."

"And yet another cliche trotted out!"

"Foxy STILL hasn't responded to my questions and assertions, one can't help but wonder, why not?"

"Hey Fox-Lady, how about starting that dialogue by responding rationally and honestly to my points?
You seem to be great at "motherhood statements" yet you avoid any discussion of the situation as I propound it.
Get down to the nitty-gritty, please?"

It's your type of derisive, sneering and arrogantly provocative attitude that's more likely to polarise discussion and stifle healthy debate.

You came out with all guns blazing and proceeded to herd any opposition under a banner various titled "feminist" - femnazi" - "extremist" - and "oh-so-fem-brigade".

Now you're lamenting the fact that your thread "...has been full of misdirection and playing the person..."

Respect is a two way street...

Dear Poirot,

I've stated many times on this forum - reasoned,
intelligent argument is a skill not easily
acquired. Sound reasoning will conquer
unreasonable generalisations every time.

As you stated - respect is
indeed a two way street.

See you on another discussion.

See you on another discussion.
Holy Crap !
Is this the beginning of new phenomenon in the battle within the Lefties ?