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How to incentivise politicians.

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Belly,

You have to admit it is a low act of politicians, specifically the Rudd government (doubtless on the advice of Julia Whatshername) to stiff their loyal employees, including retired defence personnel who served Australia in war zones.

However Rudd and Gillard retired taking their golden handshakes, with the protection against loss of value that they denied public servants.

Now if that isn't a mongrel act what is? Still, that is the educated middle class toffs of Fabian Socialists aka'Progressives' for you, always thinking of themselves, 'Me, me, me', and never the workers.

Now you are getting more of the same from the self-absorbed, greedy 'Progressives' of the calibre (got to be a more apt word) of Bill Shorten, Tanya Plibersek and their crew.

What does it take for union and Labor rank and file to wake up to them? Maybe a brick council dunny for fall on your heads?
Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 29 December 2013 4:36:53 PM
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Speaking of "...middle class educated toffs..." Onthebeach, what do you think of Abbott and Hockey's pre-election plan to pay the middle to upper class working parents up to $150,000 to stay home with their new babies?

And now there is talk of this promise actually becoming a broken promise (AKA...lie), as the Middle class- upper class Libs scramble to try and pay for their extravagent promise.
Posted by Suseonline, Sunday, 29 December 2013 4:46:51 PM
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Dear Belly,

Peter Coleman wrote in the Preface to "The
Costello Memoirs,"

"Whatever they may say, most of them (politicians)
do not go into Parliament to bring about
particular reforms;
they go in because they find the life is irresistible.
They want to be in it all their lives..."

Therefore we have the seat-warmers, the hacks, the
careerists, and the adventurers. And you get those who
want to hang onto power, while perhaps not Mugabe-esque,
are unyielding - like John Howard, and he's not an
unusual case.

The Pain and frustration of dislodging
Prime Minister Hawke, or Premiers Askin and Bjelke-Petersen
are still fresh in many memories.
Tony Blair as Coleman reminds us -
was as unwilling to vacate 10 Downing Street as
Mr Howard was to vacate Kirribili House (although
Blair finally made way for his successor).

The USA set the world an example in constitutionally
limiting the number of years a president may remain in office
(but even Bill Clinton strove mightily to return to the
White House on the coat-tails of his wife).

We'll be able to look back on the current government's
record sometime in the future - and assess what sort of
legacy they left the country.

Will it be a
proud and prosperous country, or will it find itself in
the proverbial backwater - in the wilderness.
History will judge. All we can do is speculate - and
the first 100 days aren't looking good thus far!
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 29 December 2013 5:01:41 PM
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Not to be..confused..with Double-talk.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak

Doublespeak is language..that deliberately disguises,..distorts,..or reverses..the meaning of words...[often/in..linkage..with..suggestive word associations]..
..Doublespeak may/take the form..of euphemisms..(e.g.,..."downsizing" for layoffs,.."servicing"..for..revenue raising..

it is primarily meant..to make the/pain..sound more..reasonable.

It may also refer..to intentional ambiguity..in language..or to actual inversions..of meaning..for example,..naming a/state of war "peace-keeping")...In such cases,..doublespeak disguises..the nature of the truth.

Doublespeak..is most closely..associated with/political language

The techniques..of spin include:

*..Selectively presenting..facts/survey..and quotes
that support one's position..(cherry picking)
*..the..Non-denial..denial
*..Non-apology/apology
*..'Mistakes were..made'
*..Phrasing..in a way..that assumes..unproven truths,
conspiricy/theory..malice..or..simply..avoiding the question.
*.."Burying bad news":...announcing one popular thing at the same time..as several unpopular things,..knowing that..the media will focus..on the popular one...[in/its..15 seconds..of [public/exposure.
*..Misdirection/revisionism..perversion/moralization..ridicule objectification/subjectification..and diversion

businesses have used fake..or misleading customer..testimonials by editing/spinning..a customers clients/to reflect a much more satisfied experience..than was actually the case..

Another spin technique involves a delay in the release of bad news so it can be hidden in the shadow of more important or favorable news or events.

overused bureaucratic terms
and their politically-mutated definitions.
“Compassion”

A term used by free-spending govt
who want to give your hard-earned money to their mates.

“Radical”

A volatile, mud-slinging term that means absolutely nothing and is used to whip up the emotions of the ignorant electorate.
“Mean Spirited”

A generic term used by the left to define anybody to the right of them.

“Carbon Footprint”

Self-righteous lefties repeat this to sound important
“Fairness”

The belief that nobody should have more than anybody else, regardless of work ethic or skill sets.
“For the Children”

When you hear this term, hold on to your wallets
we all know what this means.

“Pro-family”

A sanctimonious..term meant to stir up low-information voters — who’s anti-family?

“Investment”

When politicians say “We need to make an investment,” they really mean, “I want to spend YOUR money on MY agenda.”

“Racist”[greenie]

An accusation used by liberals..when they’re losing a debate on any topic.
hollowcost denier..druggie/bikie/loner..
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 29 December 2013 7:33:29 PM
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Suseonline, "Onthebeach, what do you think of Abbott and Hockey's pre-election plan to pay the middle to upper class working parents up to $150,000 to stay home with their new babies?"

You are a scream Suseonline:

first, that is completely irrelevant to what I said and ducks the issue raised; and

secondly, you must have me mixed up with someone else. I would be the last one to support employers paying for the decisions of parents.

It is the bull feminists who push maternity leave and demand continuation of the rate of pay as they won for women in the public service that you should be rudely accusing. Honestly, do you imagine that the Office of Womyn with Status or Emily's Listers would agree with you? -Although they might squirm for ways to blame Abbott for giving them what they demanded in the first place.

No lesser authority than Eva Cox, feminist and academic, said that feminists opposed Abbott's parental leave because of who was proposing it rather than for what it delivered to women. In that I suggest that you would be simply parroting the cynical, politically-driven view that Cox condemns. That is, you would cut off your nose to spite your face.

Now, back to my original point which your diversion ducked answering,

<You have to admit it is a low act of politicians, specifically the Rudd government (doubtless on the advice of Julia Whatshername) to stiff their loyal employees, including retired defence personnel who served Australia in war zones.

However Rudd and Gillard retired taking their golden handshakes, with the protection against loss of value that they denied public servants.>
onthebeach, Sunday, 29 December 2013 4:36:53 PM
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6164&page=3
and
the linked article,
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/greens-seek-fairer-super-deal-for-ps-pensioners-20130805-2rai7.html#ixzz2opNvEpaj
Posted by onthebeach, Monday, 30 December 2013 6:00:20 AM
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I could post a thousand reforms for politicians.
And the same number of past wrongs.
Could highlight the increasing numbers who went in clean and came out dirty.
Then start on the other side, these truths came from mine!.
Power corrupts, but it blinds too, us those who continue to put some true grubs back in power, on both sides.
We should join the 21st century, say enough, it stops here.
Threads like this do nothing,we are ignored.
Maybe a day will come that we here in OLO can send our thoughts to Canberra,and the media.
Change.org is not a blog,not always right,but once a member[ we could do it here] you get an e mail and the chance to sign a petition.
Further information follows telling of publicity and results.
GY may not wish such a thing.
But it will come to this country one day, people power.
And then? some will be concerned as they get stuck in the heated spotlight of public opinion.
Posted by Belly, Monday, 30 December 2013 6:28:54 AM
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