Paul too think as you do about Chris.
In part a culture arises for Cops all over the world.
A Senior Police Inspector once told me it is not a nice one.
But that the young Cop wants better, years of watching lawgivers hand down bonds to low life people, they exist, is playing a role.
See every time in ANY WESTERN COUNTRY a full on no breaks attempt to clean up the streets takes place.
People clearly in the wrong jobs law giving folk, stall it.
I have always suspected the costs of imprisonment play too big a role in early release and small sentences.
Now Paul do not launch in tome for being tough on criminals.
Remember some target folk our age, all should get an honest job.

Interesting scenario, chrisgaff1000

>>A state where the full force of the law comes down hard on lawbreakers. Where all laws are enforced and penalties are harsh enough to deter. Where judges and magistrate can be sacked and penalized when they do not do the will of the people. Where there is no such a thing as "School's" and "Pupil free days" and where teachers who cannot or will not teach are sacked.Where pedophiles and serial rapists are executed and vandals (graffitists) are publicly flogged and where parents are billed for their kids damages and they are then allowed to belt the living daylights out of the kid as a punishment and a warning against the future.<<

Have you considered moving to Saudi Arabia?

From the evidence here, it certainly appears that you would find their society far more congenial.

Chris you left out one little bit from your perfect society I remember you posting this "throw gays into the Parramatta River."
"Where judges and magistrate can be sacked and penalized when they do not do the will of the people." What will the penalty for errant judges be, the firing squad, and who determines the "will of the people." You?
Pericles I think Chris would find Saudi society too liberal, I'm sure he would much prefer North Korea.
Chris, I know you claim to be an ex-copper, in the uniform so to speak. But just because you once had a job following the elephants around at the circus with a shovel, and even though they gave you a uniform in that job. And then there was your job down at the cities Sanitation Department, another uniform, that don't make you a copper in a uniform. It just makes you a nutter in a uniform, there is a difference.

I kind of like the idea of having a PUP running about the place, and the best of Clive et al in the mix could be good.

And of course, to quote the *Psi Cop Bester* from *Bab5* who in turn may have been quoting the original:

" ... The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend ... "

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Now, about this largely unfettered power of censorship the guvment has .. Tsk Tsk .. talk about the need to cut the power and roll out slowly with those ailerons .. dear me.

But we note that like the Standing Orders, the mainstream of politics has had plenty of time to make corrections if that is what they wished but obviously not so do please spare us all these CRAP points of order about not answering the question.

Anyway, so there we had big Dave .. and *Snowden* in the Public Domain backed up by *BigRed* and then a way bigger than any mere micro expression ... but, snip goes the shears ey?!

What happened to the good old days of tv ABC when anything too long just got a ruff chop at the back end? These days, right down there frame per frame ..

And after all, *Snowden* is but one person added to the whole, but then, whose to say that he isn't full of some of the best of some of the top minds in the Western Alliance along with detailed knowledge of their activities and evidence to boot including that of the West violating the Sovereignty of anyone they can bully without getting hit back with flagrant disregard.

And based on the expression on his dial indeed *Big Dave* seems to have a pretty good idea about what *Snowden* got out with. ;-)

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Even so, like *BaPak Indonesia* & *TH of the Feds* they all appear to have the sort of face that prefers a more gentle expression and a united and harmonious, win win solution as opposed to having to come down hard.

Is Palmer a fraud? According to the 7.30 Report Palmer is a 'mining magnate' who does no mining a 'billionaire' with no billions and behind the cheery exterior is, to put it mildly, a grub. As for investing your hard earned in a Palmer enterprise, be careful, just ask the investors in his Coolum resort.

"Just as he revels in becoming a Federal MP, investors at Clive Palmer’s Coolum resort accuse him of being a dictator who has locked more than 300 families out of their holiday villas and left them unable to sell."

"But a closer look at Clive Palmer shows a businessman with a number of projects struggling to deliver and, at times, bitter fallings out with partners and employees. Legal threats have prevented some people from talking about their experiences but tonight two investors speak to 7.30, concerned that Clive Palmer's public image is at odds with what they've experienced first-hand."

Last night’s Four Corners was all about Big Clive: http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2013/11/25/3896229.htm

The point was made that he is part of a growing worldwide trend for those with big money to buy their way into politics.

Now, if the likes of Bill Gates or Dick Smith bought their way into governance, this might be a good thing. But Palmer? No, I can’t see it being a positive development.

However, having said that, we’d be hard-pressed to have a worse performance than that of the old dinosaurs: Labor or the Coalition.