runner,

Link please to where, few months ago, I was "convinced that Turnbull would lead the Liberals".

(You won't be able to find one because I never said that)

Besides, Rupert wouldn't have wanted Turnbull, because he supported an ETS.....whereas Tony is dimwitted enough to be led by the nose and parrot Uncle Rupert's line.

SM,

Substance may be defined in many ways.

One thing I'm sure of, its that Tony doesn't possess it.

Never mind, I'm sure he'll prove entertaining.

Btw, you may be interested in this article on Rudd's relationship with Murdoch over the years.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/02/rupert-murdoch-australia?CMP=twt_gu

: )

Poirot,
You're wasting precious time arguing petty points. We are more interested in getting the ball of sense rolling again.

Immigration Minister Tony Burke has revealed the population of asylum seekers on Christmas Island is falling for the first time under Labor, in a sign he says shows the Government's policies are working.
Just read this on Google News.
Is that bloke for real ? There are 30 knot winds out there for the past few weeks. No-one, not even a people smuggler will attempt to put to sea in those conditions.
Policies working, Geez !

Rudd now admits that Labour are responsible for over 4000 drownings in changing policy in order to suck up to the UN. Wow how they even use the dead in trying to be relected. And they want to question other figures. How low can they go.

P,

Using your criteria, I can comfortably say that no Labor politician in 5 decades has ever had "substance".

If you disagree, then tell me why specifically.

Sub·stance
in substance with regard to the salient points

[via Old French from Latin substantia,
from substāre, from sub- + stāre to stand]

[Middle English, from Old French,
from Latin substantia, from substns, substant-,
present participle of substre,..to be present : sub-, sub- + stre, to stand;

see st- in Indo-European roots.]

Synonyms: substance, burden, core, gist, pith, purport
These nouns..denote the essential import..or significance of something spoken or written:

substanceless adj
n.
1.
a. That which has mass and occupies space; matter.
b. A material of a particular kind or constitution.
2.
a. Essential nature; essence.
b. Gist; heart.
3. That which is solid and practical in character, quality, or importance: a plan without substance.
4. Density; body: Air has little substance.
5. Material possessions; goods; wealth: a person of substance.

the substance of his complaint;
the core of an article;..the gist of her argument;..the pith of an essay;..the purport of a document.

substance [ˈsʌbstəns]
n
1. the tangible matter of which a thing consists
2. a specific type of matter, esp a homogeneous material with a definite composition

3. the essence, meaning, etc., of a written or spoken thought
4. solid or meaningful quality

5. (Physics / General Physics)
material density a vacuum has no substance

6. material possessions or wealth a man of substance

7. (Philosophy) Philosophy

a. the supposed immaterial substratum
that can receive modifications and in which attributes and accidents inhere

b. a thing considered as a continuing whole
that survives the changeability of its properties

8. (Christian Churches, other)
Christian Science that which is eternal

9. a euphemistic term..for any illegal drug>>..[dope?]