Suse "I never said I didn't believe in locking up criminals forever, just that I didn't believe in shooting them all dead!"

From that, onthebeach, extrapolates:

"OK, so it is apparent you would impose limits on the law-abiding citizen's right to defend herself and loved ones. Where the offender is hurt you believe the victim (who defended herself or her child) should be charged with some offence, and murder or manslaughter if the offender dies through the defensive act of the victim. As well, you could include injury to the offender through his victim not providing a safe place for him to commit his crime.

What limits do you imagine you can impose on the home invader you find in your bedroom?

Home burglary is increasingly common. Few cases are closed. The criminals do not appreciate witnesses.

More women are working shifts and travelling alone. Many travel alone. Nurses are known to work shifts. Because of that they are targets. I have two young women doctors in the family and both were put through placements in risky country towns. Once safe country towns have become risky through changes in demographics. The offenders are cheeky, likely already have criminal records and operate in packs.

What would you be recommending? Remember that in the case of the hospital workers the Department of Health can't afford to provide security. Give a panic alarm to the young woman doctor and who comes? So often in the country the answer is no-one, or way too late.

What deterrent would you give the nurses and doctors or women travellers? My recommendation to my relatives was never to take the placement unless it was compulsory. Don't go back, ever.

It is all very right to protect the safety and rights of criminals, but it is NOT realistic to expect service deliverers like medical staff to work and travel where they are at risk either. It is not discrimination that reduces medical, education and other services in some areas, it is the very real and present danger of being mugged, molested and crippled or killed."

Weird!

Suseonline
Lexi
I spent my hard-head days in what you see as entertainment (Underbelly)squads in the NSW Police Force (note the word Force) and believe you me the crims of those days hated the hoons who bashed and raped and terrorized women. When they got them in prison they kicked the crap out of them and they had to be placed in a separate prison for protection.
The ones that really got out of hand (socio/psychopathic parasites} we dealt with outside the legal parameters.
Progress and academics together with social do-gooders came along and me and my fellows became Dinosaurs and extinct. They even locked a few of us up to show the world policing had changed for the good.
So don't cry for the criminal of today, they deserve nothing more than a cell and hard labor for years and years.

Dear Chris,

At no time was I defending criminals.
If you go back and re-read my posts you'll
see that what I was doing was discussing
things generally regarding crimes of violence,
giving ABS statistics, results of surveys done by
experts, deterrence and incapacitation, what
according to experts works and what doesn't,
and so on.

I have a cousin who was a detective in the
Los Angeles Police Department(now retired).
Prior to his retirement he worked with
troubled teens in one of the worst
neighbourhoods in L.A. The stories he told us
would make anyone's hair curl. So I fully
understand what you're saying.

Thanks for your civility in this discussion.
It is appreciated. For me now, the discussion
has run its course.

Hopefully, I shall see you in other discussions
on this forum.

Till then.

Chris, when did I cry for the criminals of today?
I just don't believe in killing anyone...

You sound very bitter about your time in the police force, and I don't blame you, but this is an opinion forum where we all say what we think.

You and OTB seem to want to give lectures on what you think of the subject without taking one scrap of notice of what anyone else is saying.
Even worse, you put words in our mouths.

I've said all I have to say on this subject, so I will wander off to another fun thread now...

Just heard the tail end of some new program called tough love to teach juveniles how to respect others. I din't get to see how they were doing though. Anyone know ?
It could possibly be used as a kind of Kindy for National Service. National will work as soon as the very first lull is overcome. Once a few results start showing it'll be overwhelmingly supported by most.

My guess is that the party which offers the introduction of a non-military national service over the first term will win the election. No matter how many do-gooders object, the sensible know it is a positive for our society.