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Posted by Belly, Monday, 15 July 2013 7:20:51 AM
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Dear Belly,
Here's a link that explains rather well why Mr Abbott and the Coalition behave the way they do and what sort of mindset they have: http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/the-polishing-of-tony-abbott-two/ There's also an interesting chapter on their carbon policy. Posted by Lexi, Monday, 15 July 2013 2:25:44 PM
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Tony Abbott today made a costly blunder.
It could not be more telling, and give support to my view this is an election changing policy. While telling us, well just a little he intends to cut emissions by the same amount as the Government. However todays child like out burst warns he still thinks it is crap. Remember Labors proposal was the stated view of all from 2007, including Howard except the soon to be ex leader of the opposition. Too, take not it is not us on the yes or no sidses but those who are in the middle. Those who see America moving towards a price on carbon emissions and want to know just what Abbott stands for. It is my view he has lost many voters today. Do not let Turnbulls denial stop you seeing the truth, the words he recently used in support of Abbott may have sent a chill down Tony,s back. Posted by Belly, Monday, 15 July 2013 4:42:06 PM
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Come on, do you honestly believe that if Australia reduces its very limited contribution to CO2 emissions it's going to make one iota of a difference?
It doesn't matter if Tony thinks man made global warming is a load of crap or if Kevin Rudd thinks it is the greatest moral dilemma of our time. Australia cannot reverse or even slightly influence the effects of climate change, whatever the actual cause might be. Uncontrolled population growth in Third World countries leading to thousands/millions seeking refuge in countries they have no spiritual or cultural affiliation with is the biggest problem facing the future generations. Posted by sbr108, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 6:49:36 AM
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Foot in mouth has always been a problem, and crap is still high on the list of invisible substances. Science is only good if you believe it, and some people know differently, Turnbull is weaving a web, and gaining momentum, even though he firmly believes Tony is the best man for the job. How long will he last. The one that voted Abbott in has been persecuted, by his own kind. Another day in politics can be to long.
Posted by doog, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 7:04:08 AM
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http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbott-mocks-emission-plan-20130715-2q09h.html
Maybe I know nothing about politics. But this much is true. My expressed thoughts right or wrong, are my true views. I took heaps over my anti Gillard/pro Rudd views. I stood by them. Rudd,s return for me is pure joy, no not just or even the polls. He love or loath him, brings true reform much needed reform to my party. Remember, my views on Turnbull have bought the roof down on me. But I continue to hold them, one thing has however changed. That view, if confirmed, is my *nightmare* The man could do a Rudd. Instantly remove Labors best helper Abbott, and with him a barrel full of stupid voter shedding policy,s and non policy,s. Abbott is shedding voters at a time he should be changing course,trying to win over the uncommitted middle. And that is reasoned thought, not Belly promoting my own worst fears. Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 7:07:29 AM
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http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/coalition-leader-kicks-own-goal-on-climate-20130715-2q09j.html
I will not try to breath life in to a thread others do not find interesting. So if left unattended this is my last post here. The link, as is the other, is worth a look. Let me predict the views of SOME posters. They, you can smell it in the air,will say SMH is a biased rag. Ignoring it stands as our best newspaper in this country. Murdock,s recent criminal actions, the fox like determination of any thing he owns- to ignore fairness. I rest my case. But warn even Rupert may dump Abbott, be warned his words are hurting and Murdock, like his father , dislikes failure. Last mathematics, it is not those welded to one side or the other than bring victory in this election. In a country that see,s polling tell us 71% of us believe some action is needed on climate change? Abbott has his fishing line in a sea side Dam, fishing for minnows while the real fish are running on the beach. The man is self harming. Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 7:24:35 AM
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Are Abbott's views that of the coalition. What is their policy on the environment, it's going to take far more than planting some trees. Or is that where those two million new jobs are coming from. There doesn't seem to be much ambition in the bag, or is Howard still in the background. How much more bumbling can they take before Turnbull makes a move, and puts Abbott at rest.
Posted by doog, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 8:16:23 AM
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In fact doog, no!
But for a while solidarity holds those against his madness in check. Rest, post election/post Abbott you will see a change in policy not just this one but a few as Liberalism again takes control of the mess Abbott leaves behind. This thread unpopular as it is will be found to be true. Abbott,s mad policy more than most others will bring him down. Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 1:28:41 PM
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The link tells us how close this election will be.
It now comes down to individual seats and campaign its self.
Gapping holes appear in Abbott,s plans, we can if we want ignore that, but voters will not.
Just what is Abbott,s climate change policy?
If we are content to over look his stated view it is crap, and credit him with the one he so often speaks of.
Will it work? Who pays to reward those who he says cut emissions, will his plan cut anything?
I think we must not ignore with America and to some extent China, now pledging to cut emissions, maybe voters care enough to ask these questions.
Has Tony Abbott painted himself in a corner.
Well Turnbull has not.
I hope we go to the election very soon, before the slumbering Liberals wakeup.