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So Ms Gillard suggests we have a choice of two alternatives.

Cuts and less spending from Mr Abbott, or, prosperity and essential reform from her government, securing our future is how I think she said it.

So I challenge any labor lover out there to explain to me just HOW she intends to do this WITH NO MONEY.
Posted by rehctub, Tuesday, 25 June 2013 4:02:13 PM
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Without production money has no value! Money is a standardized promissory note that can be traded for stuff or services. If the politician (coalition and Labor) lawyer, advertiser, real estate agent, accountant, journalist and the salesperson (to name a few) were the only individuals on the planet and they invented a system of promissory notes so they could use them to purchase each other services, it would not work because they produce nothing. They would have nothing to eat, nowhere to live, would be naked and have to walk. Their services and accumulation of wealth can only be ancillary to production.

A complex society requires some essential none productive services to function. We need to question the balance and degree of these activities and the reward (proportion of productivity) a particular activity attracts.

When we spend more than we produce it is called debt! When parasitic activities increase productive activities decrease, it is called inflation!

Too many non- productive parasites being rewarded with a disproportionate and undeserved amount of this countries productive wealth!

The solution (very condensed version) – Personal income per annum (from all sources including fringe benefits) should be limited to a range from not only a minimum, but also to maximum linked to sustainable GDP. Income goes up goes up and down with productivity. We share the pain and the wealth. I call it Productionism.

That’s HOW but it won’t be done by Gillard or Abbott.

Hang them in September and move to a democratic proportional system.
Posted by Producer, Tuesday, 25 June 2013 5:45:54 PM
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rehctub - Sorry but you need to correct your comment quote "HOW she intends to do this WITH NO MONEY.

Should read HOW she intends to do this WITH NO MONEY and owing 100's of Billions of dollars (thank you for the debt Labor).
Posted by Philip S, Tuesday, 25 June 2013 7:27:12 PM
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Yes Philip, she would also have us believe that her government can implement these reforms, without the money, while trying to service that huge debt and, without either underestimating the cost (NBN style) or surfing them up. Or both.

I just can't believe the hide of this woman.

I must say though that just a tiny part of me feels sorry for her, because she truly believes what she says, so I would suggest she suffers from some type of disorder.

Perhaps this is why she is pushing so hard for her NDIS.

She is dead in the water but I now believe she truly can't see that for herself.
Posted by rehctub, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 6:27:54 AM
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Butcher,

The reality is that anyone can maintain a great standard of living if one simply racks up debt on the credit card. Socialists always do well until they run out of other peoples money to spend.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 10:46:13 AM
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Dear rehctub,

This may help answer your question of "How?" ...

http://www.indexmundi.com/australia/economy_profile.html
Posted by Lexi, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 11:08:59 AM
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So what do you think should happen, rehctub?

No implementation of ‘essential reforms’ and just a hunkering down, with the same old dodgy style of governance, combined with austerity measures?

Is that really a better option than what we’ve seen under Gillard and Rudd?

Of course what we need is the implementation of progressive policies AND responsible fiscal management.

By all indications Labor is more likely to do this than the Libs. But of course they would need a considerable revamp… and an entirely new leader, NOT a recycled one that has proven himself to be the worst of all time.
Posted by Ludwig, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 11:14:54 AM
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Few economic comments of this question make sense so far.

Money is really a promissory note; an IOU issued by a sovereign government when it pays for something it buys or when it issues a benefit to anyone.

Individuals need to accumulate some of these to pay their taxes or other government charges such as a car registration so the IOUs have value to everyone.

Anyone who reads and understands Modern Money Theory realizes that if there is balance in the Current Account then unless the currency issuing government runs a deficit (i.e. instead runs a surplus) the private sector loses financial assets. That is what happened in the Howard /Costello era. The Federal Government (FG) ran surpluses and as a consequent the private sector became increasingly indebted to the banks.

The FG sold real assets so the common good lost out both ways. The collective community owned less income earning assets such as Telstra and power stations and owed more to the financial institutions.
I prefer to be in debt and own incoming earning assets of real value than own fewer assets and have a few dollars earning peanuts in a bank.

Anyone wanting to really understand can read the articles written by very competent authors at New Economic Perspectives. Read them and be more enlightened.
Posted by Foyle, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 11:54:26 AM
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Dear Oh Dear !
The politically bound and the economists are here pushing last centuries solutions.
We are now fronting the era of zero growth and all the money manipulation,
printing, buying back of bonds, selling bonds, pixel money etc etc is all to no avail.
When will they learn that it is all tied up with energy and its cost ?

Why do you think governments and now the Chinese have joined the
scramble to balance their books ?

It is not money it is energy stupid !

PS $1.59 per litre epected this week.

pps Lexi, did you notice the date of that link you posted ?
A lot has happened since then.
ppps Our oil price $115 a barrel ex Singapore !

The Great Aussie Ripoff !
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 1:39:07 PM
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SM what's the chance your man Tony will make business cough up all that tax money they steal through tax evasion every year, a million to one. He could start with the mass of small businesses that pocket the GST.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 2:13:40 PM
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Rechtub thanks again for making other commentators look good.
We now have three choices Dillard Rabbitt and the true way Kevin Rudd, enjoy that stone you are chewing on.
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 3:04:02 PM
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Paul,

I thought the duty for enforcing the rules on tax fell to the ATO and the police. Perhaps you are confused. Perhaps this is why you vote Green, where the policies are simple, and there is no requirement to think.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 3:19:20 PM
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