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what a joke: a leadership spill with no new person running (Labor has lost the plot)

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I thought Crean suggested otherwise.

Whatever strategy, events makes Labor look quite stupid, especially given the apology on the day.
Posted by Chris Lewis, Friday, 22 March 2013 10:28:50 AM
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Lexi,

You can always be relied on to spout the Labor party line. The fact is that Juliar's leadership has been one bad judgement after another, and as a result Abbott in spite of the negative campaign run by Labor is preferred over Juliar, and about 70% of Australia won't vote for labor.

The Media Law debacle shows how bad her judgement is, and the spill shows how horrified the Labor caucus is. The cluster of Labor MPs supporting the liar is shrinking and some of those standing behind her have knives of their own.

This is the worst government in decades, and the most incompetent PM and treasurer.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 22 March 2013 11:30:50 AM
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We have much to thank the progressive media and public broadcasters for, not to mention the odd rusted on supporters.

It is a fact of human nature that people accept the orthodoxy handed down to them whilst they are busy earning enough money to pay the mortgage, car lease, school fee’s and general living expenses. The censored superficial populism they absorb is a winner for the ALP.

The problem comes when people are given cause to question the difference between propaganda and reality. It often takes time but when people arrive at a different conclusion to the populist mantra, they turn permanently. Once they no longer accept, once they are no longer listening, nothing they hear has any impact whatsoever.

Once this point is reached and they lose faith and trust in those who have been giving them the message, their dissatisfaction and sense of being cheated becomes palpable and irreversible. Pounding the public with propaganda only works for so long; once you lose them they are lost to you forever.

Sadly for the public broadcasters, progressive media and the ALP, some 70% of Australians have reached this point. The volume and frequency can be turned up, increasing exaggeration can be employed and divisive social politics multiplied. All this does is make things very much worse as the number of swinging voters shrinks permanently.

Our government and the governments’ own spruikers have succeeded in pursuing that which is contrary to self interest. They keep doing more of what has failed them and are consigning the ALP to political oblivion as they are left with preaching only to the converted.

Well done everyone, keep up the great work.
Posted by spindoc, Friday, 22 March 2013 1:58:09 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

You also can be relied upon to sprout your Party's
line. But that doesn't mean that there's anything
wrong with that.

Certainly the media regulatory bill could have
been handled in a much better way. The proposed changes
were very minor and would not have inpinged on the
"Freedom of the press," contrary to what the media would
have us believe. But it was bad timing to antagonise the
media at a time when Labor could least afford it politically.
Now instead of being able to seriously discuss the issues
of media ownership in this country - this has been
put aside. The media has won.

As for your criticisms of Labor - I expect nothing less
from you. However, what you think is of no consequence.
You afterall are not a swinging voter. (no pun intended).
We'll have to wait and see see what voters in this country
will think after a blow torch has been applied to the
Opposition's policies and costings - and what cuts will
be headed their way. Historically - election results haven't
always turned out as predicted.

Cheers.
Posted by Lexi, Friday, 22 March 2013 4:41:31 PM
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cont'd ...

Just to jog your memory:

The PM has done a good job in holding together
a diverse and quite difficult group of votes in
the Senate and the House of Reps and has pursued
the business of government with some efficiency,
with many bills going through unopposed (and many
others passed with narrow margins). In that sense,
her role, as head of the executive process of
government has been impeccable. She has many
characteristics to be admired. She has a strong
sense of who she is, what she stands for, many
negotiator skills, the ability to stay cool and
collected under considerable pressure, a good
parliamentary performer, and as others have
indicated a warm personality up close.

What does Mr Abbott have to offer?
Posted by Lexi, Friday, 22 March 2013 5:01:40 PM
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I think the Prime Minister has proved beyond any doubt that she possess superb leadership qualities. The fact many of those who swore perpetual and enduring loyality to her, have proven they have no backbone nor any substance at all.

In reality, she has literally carried many of these weak people and when things get tough, they start by panicking and shake with trepidation. And once more, this prodigiously robust Prime Minister of ours, again needs to takes charge, in order to bring order!

Then those weaklings ran away, away to the back benchs where they rightly belong. Simon Crean, after how he once described Kevin Rudd as being a psycho. or something? Attacks the Prime Minister, from the back! One of her most trusted, senior Labour figures, I never thought I'd ever see it? Still this amazingly strong and resilient lady survives, and through her, so does Australia.

Unless of course, Mr Abbott quietly checks with the GG to see if it's possible she'll follow another beloved GG Sir John Kerr, and get Ms Gillard dismissed? Is there no tactic unexplored, to ensure the Abbott ego is not disappointed by denying him tenue at the Lodge?
Posted by misanthrope, Friday, 22 March 2013 9:42:00 PM
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