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Paying for the Floods/Fires

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SM some times your words deliver their own rebutle.
Try this, election year, Queensland is at present hanging in some places between dislike of CN and Gillard.
To win the election, to have any hope Gillard needs Qld!
She knows NSW is going to hurt, why then would she act as you say.
The single reason no tax impost to pay for this cleanup is that coming election.
Indy, yet again, dumps on the whole country , Sir it is increasingly, difficult to think you in insults about this country's, IQ are not referring to.
Your self.
Migration/population,
Storm and tempest, floods and fires, are in no way because of population.
A quite separate issue.
We know many of us are concerned about t5hat subject.
Not Australian business however.
Each working new come er, contributes to the economy, even if my thoughts went on to become fact, often we would need, as we do now, migrants to do the work.
Both party,s want a bigger population, while separate, that issue is in my view a red herring, newly rebuilt towns out side flood areas, will not flood, migrants or not.
In the end are migrants flooded, living along side Australians being flooded to blame for both?
If a town has ten flooded home or thousands do we blame other than population?
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 6:23:33 AM
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Belly, you said...Compensation will need to be paid, to current owners, but once stopped find other public uses for ex housing ext flood land.

So tell me, what's the difference between this time and last time, or more so, why wouldn't this apply to last time.

Now as for farmers, you simply can't put them in the same category, as the whole community needs them, however, I am often puzzled by the way that farmers are supported, but most other businesses who farmers rely on, agents, transport, retailers etc, are usually ignored.

And Belly, while I respect your wish to avoid the 'blame game', it is quite simply impossible not to wonder just where we would be right now, had so much of our tax dollars not been either pissed away, given away, or paid to the illegals debacle created wholly and solely by what many consider as the most incompitent government in our time.

Getting rid of these incompitent fools will be one thing, but repairing the damage they have caused will be a whole different ball game, and something that this generation can't do in our time alone.

The most frustrating part for me is that people were repeatedly warned, yet all the warning fell on deaf ears, as the most important agenda for most labor voters, was to fight for a better deal for our least skilled, or lowest performing workers.

But hey, at least now the floor sweepers are on 30 bucks an hour on Sundays.
Posted by rehctub, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 6:23:37 AM
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Rechtub please know I rebut your words not you.
Last time? have I failed that badly?
My mission I thought, was to find a better long term way, a way to stop forever the costs of flooding and lets not forget fires.
The fact you compare this with current, or past practice has me wondering if I did not explain myself.
How long has Bundaberg been there?
Grafton? seems some of those flooded homes have been there for nearly a century.
Now ill-eagles, how many live in Grafton/Bundaberg/Brisbane?
Is the problem too many people or houses factory's businesses, built on flood land.
Is every thing linked to boat people?
Is it not true both sides of politics intend to increase this country,s population.
IF we stop will the floods stop.
I offer these points for consideration.
No building on flood lands.
Every bridge rail line or road to be flood proofed is at all possible.
Clear no tree zones in fire prone lands.
A plan to build all new suburbs out side flood land and to leave room for current housing to be placed out of danger.
Government to buy and use flood lands for public benefit, parks ext.
Every time we fund rebuilding only to see floods again we waste what doing it right and once can save.
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 5:28:15 PM
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Yes Belly, I agree that Bunderberg is a once off record flood, and as such deserves special needs.

It's a shame the levy imposed last time has all but dried up the donations.

Now as for rebuilding roads, bridges, etc, I am of the understanding, in QLD at least, that in order to receive federal funding, these items must be rebuilt to original specs.

Now I don't know if this was a rule labor inherited, or it's their own ruling, but none the less it's just plain stupid if you ask me.

Unfortunately we are on a down hill slide and I can't see any bright shining light in the near future.
Posted by rehctub, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 7:42:00 PM
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Belly,

From my experience, good sense is not a big driver for Labor. The reality is that they are nickel and diming queensland to death.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 7 February 2013 6:37:24 AM
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Bunderberg is a once off record flood, and as such deserves special needs.
Rehctub,
It should not be thought of it as a once off anymore & future planning must think of it as a bench mark from now on. Same goes for all flooded area. Of course the problem can never be solved 100% but with some logic injected into town planning & making the planning consulting engineers far more responsible will go a long way towards a better situation in the long run. We can't possibly do anything about severe natural events but we can counter the effects by more & better logic. If there were to be an earth quake no-one can do anything but so far as floods go we now have figures & measurements & anyone dismissing the recent floods as one in a hundred years event has rocks in their heads. Planning suburbs must include flood run-off in favour of high density build-up i.e. damming the flood waters as has happened recently.. Building regulations must stipulate higher living area than thus far. Those areas which were inundated to say 2-3 metres should not have any more ground level living. Any drains should increasingly be enlarged over time & river banks should be kept free of buildings. For water front living canal development is a far safer solution & will help the dispersal of flood water.
Posted by individual, Thursday, 7 February 2013 6:44:42 AM
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