And yet again you provide the evidence Individual!
Arjay well you mixed up in your first post a thread of great promise.
The simple answer is yes yes.
A fact, world wide, while I dislike greens, folk fearing real damage to the environment joined greens groups.
And to an extent few wish to see, dragged both sides towards them on this issue.
Lucky, for me,and Democratic Socialist party,s all over the world, they are incapable of considered thought.

Arjay,

Re: the science "not" being settled....(we know:)

Re: your denialist blather - fancy, that.

All dem sciency fellas never took dat stuff into account.

They're obviously a lot of drongos, if you can sum up their folly in a single paragraph.

Yes rehctub Govts and big business are working together to drive the small farmer off the land.The Greens are at the forefront of farmer oppression. We also have fracking destroying good farmland.Cubby Station had higher offers from locals but China got the sale.Corruption?

The aim of the multi-nationals is to control food like they do oil and thus control the population totally.

Monsanto wants their sterile GM crops to dominate the food market so they will have total control.Withpout seeds were are enslaved again.

the pro-population increasers should sit back for a moment & work out how more people will not contribute to a declining quality of existence for all living things on this planet.
Haven't they ever heard of economic migration ? Don't they know that these people come from highly over-populated places ? I'd like to suggest to the proponents to put their preference for increased population onto their I.d. so that they can be sent to overpopulated cities/countries for a couple of years & see how comfortable they'll be able to live in comparison to the supposedly under-populated Australia. Does their growth mentality come from their growth in stupidity ?
I prefer a quality of life any day to hundreds of neighbours milling around aimlessly.

Good post, individual.

Arjay,

Life isn't like the sort of competition that students used to have in the 1960s, where the object was to cram the greatest number of people into a telephone booth or Volkswagen Beetle. The object is to have no more people than can lead decent lives with some human dignity, in a healthy environment where the other species can live too.

Food is never going to be equally distributed, and waste is never going to be completely eliminated (although we can certainly do better). This is a pipe dream. You are also ignoring looming problems from the end of cheap oil, climate change, peak phosphate rock, etc. Furthermore, you need to recognise that people need more than just food, and there are limits to how far we can use the environment as a sink for wastes.

The Global Footprint Network is an international thinktank of scientists, engineers, and economists that has been doing calculations on carrying capacity and consumption based on figures from the UN, national governments, and papers in peer reviewed journals. Their 2010 atlas might prove enlightening, especially the graph on p. 21, where they plot rank on the UN Human Development Index (human well-being) against environmental footprint (consumption per person). It is clear that it would take the resources of approximately three Earths to give everyone in the global population a modest Western European standard of living.

http://www.footprintnetwork.org/images/uploads/Ecological_Footprint_Atlas_2010.pdf

They also say that we are in about 40% environmental overshoot, essentially because we are using up renewable resources faster than they can be replenished. If we divided all the earth's resources equally among the global population, we would all have the average standard of living of Jordan. Allowing for environmental overshoot, we would have the average standard of living of Burma or Uzbekistan.

http://overpopulationisamyth.com/ The rate of pop growth has slowed dramatically.They say it will peak at 9 billion and decline by a billion every 20 yrs.The increasing cost of food will slow rates dramatically.

Give women an education and access to birth control and pop falls as in the West.We need to raise living standards and education in poor countries so that it does happen.Releasing these countries from debt wold be a big start.