Pied Piper,
Indeed, but in reality the modern western churches are bastions of liberalism, in many cases the pastors are unabashed Leftists, the third world interpretation of scripture is far more literal, the Bible and Koran are living documents in Africa, Asia and South America.
Look further afield than the West for your impressions of Christianity because it's no longer a White religion, it's a third world faith, what's happening in Africa is more important than what's happening in Rome or London.The Western churches will have to return to fundamentalism to accommodate migrants who are now their only sustainable source of new followers. In the Islamic world too democracy is being rolled back and the last vestiges of socialism are being mopped up by the mujahideen, to the satisfaction of the vast majority of Muslims, look at Syria, the best case scenario will see a Muslim Brotherhood or Salafist type of group in power.

Yuyutsu

'You must admit that it's a far better deal than what Christians got under the Romans, Muslims and Communists. The world has changed in the last century and is now controlled by secular people, so take what you've got and let Caesar have his tainted coin, thanking God for our good fortune that we can still freely serve God, that we don't have to sneak into caves in the middle of the night to pray or be tortured and taken to a concentration camp for having a bible - as is the case in North Korea.

good point Yuyutsu. God deniers have often been the cruelest similar to the Catholic church and Islam when their doctrines are challenged or hypocrisy exposed. John the BAptist did lose his head. We are in a very blessed country thanks to the early godly influence. The rotton fruit of secularism is now clear for all to see.

Whenever and wherever govt’s are letting people down the solution is to look for something different instead of insisting the govt services improve. Privatising prisons, hospitals, armies, child care, homes for the elderly ad infinitum.

NGO’s riding Church coattails leap into lobby mode and get the contracts. The service often doesn’t improve but the public are fooled for a while by action alone, it takes a long time for the problems in people related services to reach the public with our privacy laws. Often we have to wait for children to become adults before they can speak out.

The Churches failed so many already, they have failed for a long time and lined pockets while abusing their clients. Let them discriminate, but we should not be letting them have anything else paid for by a supposedly secular govt. People should not be forced into church run businesses.

Yes runner, I think we’ve seen a few apologies from those godly influences, if you check the websites you will see the priests and nuns apologies to children they have abused in various ways while in their care over several generations in Australia. I’m guessing The RC will lead to quite a few more as well and a few more horrific tales or what was done to children placed in the hands of the Church.

The Pied Piper

'I’m guessing The RC will lead to quite a few more as well and a few more horrific tales or what was done to children placed in the hands of the Church. '

Yeah and hopefully the BBC and latte sippers who ignored Saville and others in their organisations might also apologise.

I hope they do runner. And I don’t ignore how often we’ve seen govt employees appear in the news either.

Big problem in foster care is too many cooks in the kitchen. It would be nice to simplify human services, get them back in govt, and become way more transparent, accountable and responsible.

I think the not-for-profits and charities would be wonderful in support services. Early intervention etc. Balance things out. But not if they can legally discriminate against members of the very public they are supplied funds for to help.

<Whenever and wherever govt’s are letting people down the solution is to look for something different instead of insisting the govt services improve>

That was government's own solution to its own inability to manage services effectively and efficiently. It is government too that is trying to outsource its responsibility and its arrangements often muddy (deliberately?) appeal and review mechanisms, and avoiding its fiduciary accountability.

<The service often doesn’t improve but the public are fooled for a while by action alone>

The crux of the problem is that government fails to plan, it adopts convenient populism in policy and where services are outsourced through market testing, the senior public agency managers who couldn't manage, remain while their hard working but poorly led juniour staff are given the bullet.

Few voters are aware that the structure of the federal public service is now highly skewed. Unlike private industry the federal public service has very few juniour workers, or even supervisory positions. The top echelon is bloomed both in number and in pay and benefits. The management overheads are enormous. The 8information is available in departmental reports if any care to look.

<The Churches failed so many already>

Yet the OP is silent on the well documented abuses by the State of its wards, policies to take new-borns away from mothers for adoption and so on.

http://www.forgottenaustralians.org.au/

"The Forgotten Australians is a national group established for the primary purpose of promoting the interests and welfare of Forgotten Australians and their dependents and for this purpose the Forgotten Australians Inc."

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