Wait up Hasbeen, if it worked so well how come the generation that went through it changed it?

It’s not like the kids protested, lobbied govt and said stop hurting us in school, I’m pretty sure it was their parents and grandparents who had been through the system that made it end.

I think what happened is something was stopped and then not replaced with anything else.

You could be right there Piper.

However I think it shows how easy it is to brain wash human beings, particularly of the female variety.

They fell hook, line & sinker for that Doctor Spock bloke. It sounds so nice, "you'll never have to use real discipline on your child". Us men have become so much SNAGs that rather than lay down the law, we just stepped back, & let them go.

Perhaps we weren't really sure ourselves, that the old way was tried proven & right. As you can see, we got what we deserved for such a lax attitude.

Maybe we or they just got it half right. Some schools do very well and children do learn. Generally they have excellent discipline, school pride and high expectations of their students.

In my area there seems more concern over what the child has in their lunchbox and teachers will go out of their way to tell me what they believe should be in there. On matters of what they’ve actually learnt that day – nada.

Teachers now have instruction on various techniques when handling students. One recently explained how if a child is hitting another child you may grab the victim in a hug from behind and then turn your back on the aggressor so that the teacher gets hit from behind instead.

Crazy stuff offering up an aggressive kid a new victim.

Wow! Piper you are even harsher than me. I just thought they had stopped doing the right things in our schools, but you believe it is what they are doing wrong that is the problem.

We do agree it's what is coming down from the top that is the problem, & not the individual teacher so much.

Still in my experience, the nice little girl teacher of today, is basically a waste of space. Even 25 years ago, the only one of my kids that we did not have to teach to read & do their math was the one taught by an old duck. She was like an authoritarian granny, & still used the despised techniques she had been taught in the 60s

When she retired the next couple had a bright young thing, very professional & very incompetent. In a small country school, she did not have a discipline problem, most country people discipline their kids, the bush is too dangerous not to, so she had a good opportunity.

The kids liked her, however she never taught them a damn thing. This was probably as you say, down to her training.

Hasbeen: ”Wow! Piper you are even harsher than me. I just thought they had stopped doing the right things in our schools, but you believe it is what they are doing wrong that is the problem.”

Please remember I am a product of the type of schooling that you disagree with and I didn’t understand a word of that.

Poor teachers they get complained about a lot and investigations carried out on every little whinge a child has as well as some serious and very real allegations they might have. Everything but schooling appears to go in schools.

But back to the original how can we encourage children to achieve better academic results, maybe by balancing it with a bucket load of discouragement for not achieving better academic results. And I do believe some of them aren’t academic at all and never will be and will still be successful peoples so let’s get them out of the classroom and deal with them a different way.

Did the “old school” ways really work?

Wait up Hasbeen, if it worked so well how come the generation that went through it changed it?
The Pied Piper,
It was that other Pied piper Big Goaf who removed National Service & replaced it with moron attracting increased public Service positions with no plan for the future. Hence why we are where we're now !
If you want to ask him what made him make these idiotic decisions better be quick.