Your Answer Madam
it will take more than you and I to change things. Yes a new Parliment made up of Inderpendants that actually care would be a good start.
Now re china. They did the right thing for the country at the right time. If you look at their postion in the world now I think you must agree they dragged themselves up the food Chain A long Way.
Their Animal Welfare Is appauling but thats a different subject.
They have dreadful diseases kicking around which sooner or later will be brought in here through the air ports.[ But I guess thats off topic as well.
If Rudds Apointed as PM we will have even more health problems as he pushes a closer arrangment with China. In Another way its REAL smart for Australia to be on good terms with China Given the worlds threats.,
Now if we dont get the new Parliment you mentioned we will continue to not care and not get anything done .
Now you were speaking on having more Children if I recall.
We now raise THE most self indulgant children in history. Parents are scared to disaplin their kids because of the damage done by do gooders. The Government pay them to leave home because they dont want to follow house rules.
Half of these kids are raised on welfare.
Thats SO wrong.
You dont fix things by buying more toys.
Same as we wont fix problems by giving more toy money to people who cant afford them in the first place.
Who Said. Give me the boy until he is 7 and I will give you the man?
Kids learn to expect welfare and so the chain continues.
Kids need to be born to a normal mum Dad Stable home who can afford them

That's not an answer, PALE, that is called avoiding the question.

>>a new Parliment made up of Inderpendants that actually care<<

How will this be achieved, do you think? Oh, that's right, you don't think.

>>re china. They did the right thing for the country at the right time... they dragged themselves up the food Chain A long Way.Their Animal Welfare Is appauling... They have dreadful diseases kicking around... If Rudds Apointed as PM we will have even more health problems as he pushes a closer arrangment with China. In Another way its REAL smart for Australia to be on good terms with China<<

So China's way is a good way? At least, that seems to be the gist, it isn't actually crystal clear.

But be careful what you wish for. Think about it, just for a moment or two.

Before we could even consider reducing the population of Australia, we would have to change our entire way of government, which is at present some sort of democracy-by-bureaucracy. That ain't going to happen in your or my lifetime without a major revolution and serious bloodshed.

Far more likely, as soon as one or the other of our northern neighbours notices that we are weakening ourselves with a parasitic, ageing population, they will be upon us like wolves on the fold.

Think of it. All that land. All those resources. So few people. All of them old and grey, living off their younger generations. Let's have a piece of that, they'll say.

Forget being the fiftyfirst state of America. We'd be a province of China, or another island off the coast of Indonesia.

And don't look to the US to protect us. They can't even keep a few square miles of Baghdad under control.

Well when you put it like that Yes I agree we are far better off staying as we are- A shilling each way and one foot in each camp.

In the one corner we have Rudd and WA Labours Ministers of Small Biz trotting back and forth to China .

In the other you have little JH and his buddy George Bush.

As its Anzac Day I might remind you we would all be Japs by now if it were not for America.
Perhaps we could start by teaching some history in our schools and a bit of loyalty might not hurt either.

Take a look at just about every national in past history that broke away to become a replublic and what followed.

Anyway wasnt this post about babbies?.

Who ever runs this country needs to address this- give me, give me, attitude thats become entrenched in Australia.

Welfare and handouts were put together for the truely needy.

You work an honest days work and you get paid for it.

You dont encourage people to have kids that can not afford them because its unfair on those children and the rest of soceity.

Probably and this is getting closer to answering your question_ If we all just get up and do things to better our neigbour and fellow men we will be on the right track.

You can say what you like about Australia but some people dont know how lucky they are to be living here- warts and all.

Yes we are a sitting target and no sadly I dont think long term we will hold her so enjoy while you can

Of course the counter argument would be hand the country over to you because you have the answers to everything.

Lets see. Its cruel to keep a dog as a pet is one of your strange ideas- is it not?
Or have I got the wrong person?

At least this contribution is marginally comprehensible, PETA, which is a step in the right direction.

But it is obvious that you still envisage the problem in terms of simple slogans, rather than thinking through the consequences.

The part of the equation that you and your fellow population freaks forget is that we don't exist in this world in isolation. History has a habit of happening whether we like it or not. We - along with the US and most of Europe - have had our day in the sun. Our economies have grown fat on the trade we have established with other countries, and now those countries are growing their economies faster, and educating their population better, so that they can enjoy our lifestyle some time in the near future.

If we decide to opt out of this race, then we should at least understand the likely consequences. Which are, that we either become a comparatively poor nation with a shrinking economy, or allow ourselves to be taken over by a more ambitious and better-organized country.

The problem with the first choice is that it will automatically lead to the second; no country that cares for its citizens wouldn't sit idly by while such a rich and underpopulated nation commits suicide.

So yes, it is a bit of a treadmill. But we owe it to ourselves and our children to keep working at it, instead of just throwing our hands in the air saying "life's too tough with 20 million here, let's try it with 10 million".

As I pointed out, trying to turn that into a plan presents immediate difficulties, if only because we have trained ourselves to enjoy some basic freedoms, and one of those is to have a family. But more importantly, if we were to apply ourselves to the challenges involved in building our population to 25, 30 or even 50 million people instead of running away from them, we might have an even brighter future.

And no, I don't have all the answers. But at least I take the trouble to understand the questions.

To a large part I agree with much of what you just said. But and there is a but. Its totally selfish to bring children into the world without the means to provide for them and wrong to expect others to pick up the tab which is basically what this thread is about.

Yes Australia like others probably will go down hill from here.
All the more reason to introduce a co joint venture proposal inviting other countries to get involved HERE with our agriculture first hand working alone side Australian farmers.

We can all teach each other much.

People should not think we are any different from the rest of the world and one day we may even face sanctions as war crimials.

I am not saying i didnt agree with sending our troops to other countries either. I am just pointing out I agree with you and why.

As for your mention of PETA it is a matter of record they have done some great things.
However it is sad they push the veggie side because they loose so much support and play into the hands of the ever waiting media to discredit them.

That would be the same media gaints that conflicts of interests and control large live Animal exports.

Getting back to the subject of this thread that reminds me that some people despite how much money should not have children at all.
Monsters tend to breed Monsters
I wonder if there could be a test for compashion given to the parents before they had the child.
Maybe then we would not have thousands of unwanted children dead world wide. The only answer we can come up with is to push more animals into dreadful conditions to feed more people.
no I dont have the answers either/.
Your reply was certainly food for thought
Have a good day.

Who ever gave any of you the right to judge who is elegible to have a baby or not, and just what exactly is the 'required income' to become a parent.

Being a parent should never be about how much money you earn, or where you sit on the 'rightious' scale, being a parent is about loving your child, and giving your child what they need in life to become the best they can be.

Yes, I agree that some mothers would rather 'get a hit' or a 'six pack' before a tin of formula, but just how exactly do you expect to be able to monitor this?

The baby bonus has been very helpful for many caring and responsible parents, how fair do you think it is to take it away from these people?