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Christine Milne is not damaging the Greens. In what way do you think she is damaging the Greens.

DP is right about Labor. No longer a Centre-Left party.

4 seats down to one in the ACT seems to differ Pelican.
DP actually said he agreed with Labors push to the right.
And I do too.
It made governing possible, and started ,slowly, in 1972.
Any turn to the left now entrenches Conservatives hold on government.
On the issue of greens, bank on it, they will suffer even more than Gillard lead Labor next year.

I agree with Labors moving away from Centre-Left but in my experience terms such as 'push to the right' seems to mean different things to different people.

The swing away from Greens in the ACT was nothing to do with Bob Brown, it was very much an election on local issues. Even with Bob Brown as leader, I don't think the result would have been any different in the ACT.

Much of the concern (real or perceived) around the Greens is the hysteria being whipped over a minority government and tactics by the Libs to continually assert the Federal Government is not legitimate. This, despite the fact Abbott would have done anything to hold the same 'illegitimate' reins should he have been successful in winning over the Independents/Greens. And despite the fact that the Coalition of Libs and Nationals seems to have escaped Abbott in terms of ability to form government. Libs would never win government without the Nationals.

Pelican I know my views on the greens are way out there.
I know too, without doubt my views are shared, by indeed in my view 80% of the population.
Labor had to shift, dreams win no elections.
Even now, under a barrage of Abbittism, [ a term I just made up meaning disrespecting truth, making random dog droppings in to mountains, and being disrespectful of the average voters IQ ]Labor has to return the party and leadership to its reason for existing, members.
They if it takes self immolation will do that.
But the greens , while near bullet proof in the senate for this election, will suffer greatly.
For not truly using their peak power, those high watermark senate seats that they hold now.