It is well known I am no fan of Gillard.
And lifetime unionist, once official, but for longer a workplace Delegate.
I have not much memory of these events.
I left my life,s love ,my union for 18 months, became delegate for another, not in competing with it.
17 or 20 30, years ago, we if we looked would find dirt, hidden or exposed it existed.
In almost every walk of life, to some degree.
I have despised it always, and I always will.
But some of it, like the knowing miss use of truth in SOME of Tomson,s electorial funding.
THE KNOWN LIE it was used by him, not just a bit naughty over allowed donation to get him elected.
Every party does it
GILLARD? would it be any different in any relation ship, would a woman do favors for her lover?
I would send the two blokes to prison for ever!
But the woman I do not trust like want leading or maybe even in my party?
Has she been so wrong, would you do that for your partner? could it be just why 17 years have past without it being uncovered?

Belly, for as long as we have the absolutely despicable and totally anti-democratic donations regime in place, everything else that is deemed to be dishonest is just piffling in comparison!

The current decision-buying regime of political funding from big business is just as dishonest and downright disreputable as you could ever get!

THIS is where we should be directing our concerns about dishonesty! Or at least, if we are going to be critical of Gillard or Abbot or any politician for lies or misleading statements or the misappropriation of funds or whatever whatever, or the perception thereof, we should be putting ten times as much effort into fixing the incredible dishonesty of both major parties and indeed of our whole political system.

To do just the former really makes no sense at all.

Belly, I'm with you on this one.

Governments must have researchers, both sides, paid by us to simply dig dirt on each and every front bencher. I think it's getting beyond a joke.

One has to question, who running the country when all this mug throwing is going on.

Perhaps the blame should lie with Captain Cook, after all, had we not been discovered..........?

Mug throwing?? ( :> |

As a lawyer she was happy to assist in ripping off thousands of unionists.

As a polly she is happy to rip off millions of tax payers.

Leopards don't change their spots, & you have to be pretty dumb not to spot this one as a shonk.

Has been, I agree with what you are saying, all i am suggesting, is something that happened 17 years ago, relative.

Ludwig, good old typo.

Hasbeen on any evedence it was at worst those contractors who got ripped of.
It has never been linked, because it never was, to the union.;
Many get their exersize from jumping to conclusions.
Let me explain a truth.
During union internal elections.
No union funds can by strictly policed law be used, by either side.
Union officials, out of every weeks pay, contribute to the election fund.
As both a delegate,and official, I took unpaid leave, well my annual leave at another job as delegate, to work in the campaign.
IF Gillard did wrong sack her, but this farming and constructing past, distant issues, has to stop.
America is not a country to follow in politics.
Muck raking, and uniformed comments about a past crime point to police and others being useless.
I think the blokes are scum, and dislike Gillard and hark back to my brief support on the day after her knifing.
I got it wrong, but too said she could not be trusted and would fall as Rudd did, soon hopfuly but not on this issue.

Belly,

Don't be a hypocrite, Labor has spent years trying to assassinate Abbott's character, mostly based on flimsy snippets of conversation years ago. Now Juliar has some genuine skeletons in her closet, and wants everyone to give her the benefit of the doubt.

She seems experienced in covering up union corruption, after all she had full confidence in Thomson.

I was castigated for starting a post not long after the election for writing that private philosophy determines public policy. If someone is unfaithful to spouse and children their philosophy will work out in public policy. Look at the emily's club whose dogmas continue to destroy the family unit. Unfortunately the Liberal party has their fair share of snakes but this current Government is filled with them. We should not be surprised that their word means zilch.

I find myself defending a woman I want gone.
But truth is worth the effort.
It was the union, my union,AWU, that reported this matter to police regulators and even others.
17 years ago.
Why has it risen now? is it possible my thoughts are always wrong because I am just left of center?
This is much raking.
And it will bring results, Abbotts head on a plate, held by his own party.
The walking snear, riding his seat in the house, like a child spinning round and round.
Snear following.
Tony however has some luck as a result of that snear, if he atends a fancy dress party he only need fill his mouth with water,and go as Wargamba Dam.
Should he not6 be able to resist saying no, he will get very wet.

Tony however has some luck as a result of that snear, if he atends a fancy dress party he only need fill his mouth with water,and go as Wargamba Dam.
Belly,
better going as a Dam than as a sewerage plant.

I guess Julia has a problem.

When you prove to be a lying conniving cheat in a couple of areas, people expect you to be the same in everything.

Problem for Julia is mostly people get these things right, given enough evidence, & time to think about it.

Well we've got the evidence.

My some what over the top post last had me thinking.
I was wrong to let some commentators get to me, sadly it is in my nature to counter punch.
I am waiting still, for a withdrawal of the claim I lied,unlikely to get it.
Two other posts are best ignored.
Let us look at this, from within the union movement,I may know more than most about a culture of the past, some recent.
I condemn all and any involved in such as that.
Press has BEEN FORCED to say sorry for printing other than the truth.
Gillard is incapable of verbally defending her self, on any matter, she is with no doubt, the wrong person to lead.
But too, this matter 17 years old, SHAMES MY COUNTRY.
Dirty politics imported by both sides from America, is not a good thing.
More past events could come out on both sides, even with truth involved, it must be remembered this beat up is Abbott,s.
The bloke is, as is Gillard, unfit to sweep the floors of Parliament.
While my last post was tasteless 3 posts I could highlight, in my view are standard issue, mud hurling with little else to recommend them.
AWB do we remember? heads rolled,oh not the publics perception, just early retirements including a party leader.
Do we go back there? do were look at children over board? if this issue deserves it why not them?
In truth we are in need of leadership on both sides of the house, and unlikely as it may look will get it.

I suppose Labor could dredge up those charges made against Abbott years ago for damaging property and sexual assault but it's the conservatives and their fan club that specialise in personal smear tactics.

Correct, I say that is why Abbott wouldn't touch it.
Slime bin politics. Abbott has got to be wearing out his tenure.
He can't even get BHP statement right without telling them what they said.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/is-abbott-on-thin-ice-absolutely-20120823-24oyz.html
Not related to the subject?
Sorry it very much is.
Here in this thread and for more than 12 months I have highlighted a desperation, a need for weapons and their use by Abbott.
And pointed out the view, the boy who cry,s wolf just has to be caught up in his own web.
I fear I may be right.
WHY
Well if Abbott falls, and it looks likly, Gillard may not!
Each is propped up ONLY by the other
Over 60% disapprove of the pair.
Abbott is extremely close to being branded bigger lier than Gillard by most.
Informed people have long ago done so.

Wobbles,

If you think that labor hasn't been desperately trying to dig up the dirt you are seriously mistaken. There just isn't any of the sort that you find with on MPS with their ties to dirty unions.

The world of politics makes the dirt in my garden
seem so clean. And infantile-finger pointing seems
to be the order of the day for some. Neither side
of politics has any reason to feel particularly
smug as scandals have always been a part and parcel
of the game - just to jog a few memories, anyone
remember the following?:

Tampa Affair
Children Overboard Affair
Unlawful detention of Cornelia Rau
Unlawful deportation of Vivian Solon
AWB - Oil for Wheat Scandal
Muhamed Haneef Affair
Lindsay pamphlet scandal
Utegate or OzCar affair

And the list goes on ...

Then if you Google, "Famous Australian Political
Sex Scandals," it becomes even more interesting.

Perhaps the bottom line is - Australians just may prefer
their politicians just a little bit "dirty," as long as
they do their job well.

BTW: Does it really matter what the PM did 17 years ago,
before she entered politics? And look at the calibre of
people who want to drag her down now. Fraudsters and
con men themselves. Not very "nice " people. Why should
they be trusted - and what is their agenda.
Yuck, to all of them!

No wonder there is words about more regulations for newspapers,
If they can't properly do their investigations, doesn't give them a license to print lies.
Not one word of politics out of the monk, or his deciples.
Paddling around in the same pond for years. Wouldn't you think they would fix the 70 billion black hole they have.
Abbott doesn't perform very well under pressure. Julia thrives in it.
As long as the polls keep coming back, the noalition will fall apart.
Julia is not perfect but she is streets in front of Abbott.
Abbott would love to be in Newmans shoes dismantling a state, brick by brick. Kenett was one of those.

Lexi/579 in your life you will come across a few Shadow Ministers, a shadow of Abbott, a true Conservative/Tory.
Such folk have an ability to find dirt in any place, and expand it to build hills.
This subject, here and in the thread started by SM, is evidence.
I known to have no time for Gillard, see no dirt here.
But know, yes hard to believe, the very same media that helps dig dirt on Labor.
Hides it if it is from conservatives.
In 1975, unfortunately, Labor was on the way to falling, had the infamous act not taken place, Kerr,s behavior, we still would have been flogged.
After this election, after Labor is nearly killed if Gillard leads, we will see every lie, every beat, up Conservatives posing as Liberals have AGAIN used.
A generation of pre warned Labor supporters will be born, and hopefully take us to magic places.
Labor reforms while Conservatives? well play dirty tricks, rather than tell us what they will do in office.

Dear Belly,

I keep hoping that with time and new generations
enterning politics things politically will change in this
country.

I can only hope.

I must admit, this morning the SMH Sydney Morning Herald has a story about this issue.
One I do not link to, it in my view is mostly white washing the Liberals, it however names those involved.
It fails to mention the folk behind the get Gillard team, [I did not figure but am proud to be there].
BUT it does tell a truth, one that can NEVER BE AVOIDED!
As I said in a previous post, if some of Gillards lost ancestors graves came to light, one national paper would print these headlines.
*We found Gillards hidden skeletons*
I watch her in the house in press conferences and she fails! her self and the party!
As slippery as an eel the woman seems unable to see sex or position is of no use just actions.
As Abbott,s team said untruths about BHP not progressing it SA job, she seemed unable to point out a fact.
No mining tax! not one cent! was to be paid for that project yet Abbott said it was.
So Julia go girl, you can not now or ever win an election, to say Abbott is so bad he will never become prime minister overlooks you are the very same.
Lexi trust me it can not get worse better isclose on both sides.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/tony-abbott-has-a-credibility-issue/story-e6frfhqf-1226457761745
I think this link best says why both leaders are the wrong ones.
But too questions how dare a follower or supporter of Tony Abbott, from such a fragile glass house, throw the stone lier at Gillard?

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/pm-and-a-fistful-of-questions-20120824-24rtj.html
Here is the link mentioned in my first post this morning.
While not supportive of my view it is evidence Gillard can not win.

Dear Belly,

Thanks for the link.

It will be interesting to see what develops
prior to the next election.

Hopefully things will sort themselves out
and the voters will get it right.

Lexi,

You must be desperate, trying to dig up a small handful of items, some of which were not even linked to the liberals.

Try the fraud of numerous Labor MPs and officials, pedophiles, etc.

I am not sure I have the right to say this.
I am however that shadow minister has said far worse and often.
We owe more than we can pay to GY, his different view of politics than mine must make me a tooth acre some times.
But Lexi, just once, consider is being nice worth it?
I am until some withdrawal comes, probably forever, not answering SM.
it is a way of cooling off a war.
I remain confident you, and for that matter I can ignore the barbs and attempts at niggling.
PS ALP almost certain to fall in NT tonight, my guess, landslide to Country Libs.
Labor needs to remove its head and start again with a leader.

Dear Belly,

Perhaps if Shadow Minister travels back
far enough he'll find something the PM
might have got a detention for in high school.
(Hee, Hee). Mr Abbott should keep on doing
what he's doing. It's called self-destruction.
Did Mr Abbott lie when he said that he hadn't
read BHP Billiton's document or when he said he had?
Hmmmmm.

Dear Shadow Minister,

Did you watch Tony Abbott's interview on 7.30
(ABC TV 22/8)? It was a real eye-opener.
This man who hopes one day to be PM has frequently
called Julia Gillard a liar. Well his performance
on TV was rather pathetic. Full of evasive non-answers.

Perhaps he doesn't know the difference between changing
one's mind on an issue due to circumstances and deliberately
and repeatedly peddling untrue statements and ideas as
factual and true. As a reader pointed out in one of the
newspapers - "perhaps boxing at university was the peak
of his intellectual prowess."

Either way - the man is unsuitable to lead any major party.
Best to remember that before you criticise the PM and Labor.

Lexi,

Did you see you see Juliar on Australian Agenda?

Well her performance on TV was rather pathetic. Full of evasive non-answers.

As a Rhodes scholar, Abbott leaves Juliar in the shade. From her performance over the last 17 years, it appears that her shady dealings at G&S were the pinnacle of her intellectual performance.

(remember her asylum seeker policy that has now been scrapped, or the incompetent BER debacle?)

SM,

You are joshing, right?

Tony leaves Julia in the shade....(chortle, cough!)

I've seldom seen a more vacuous interview by a politician, let alone one trumpeting himself as an alternative national leader.

Superlative in his mediocrity.

Juliar would struggle to reach mediocrity.

Abbott was instrumental in Rudd's demise, and bringing the labor party to its knees. (When Abbott took over Labor was leading in the 2pp 54% to 46%. This has now reversed). Even Sam Dastyari acknowledges him as one of the most effective opposition leaders ever.

So for all your snide remarks and childish chortles, the Abbott beats the liar any day.

I see a resemelance to Tony Abbott himself, in the claim he unseated Rudd.
I addressed that issue this morning in RIP ALP?However self deceit will not change truth or the way history addresses these days.
A book is about to be released and we will here much more about it.
From the 1975 dismissal it highlights thoughts I often hark back to.
Labor played a roll in its own fall.
Not to ignore the part played by meadia, much as it is today, rich mens play thing/influence peddlers toys.
So it is this time, NDIS CARBON TAX PENSION INCREASES a host of great policy's dragged down by poor actions of a few.
Tory's need no help, as Abbott constantly proves, in lies and destruction, distancing them selves from truth is habitual.
Abbott makes it his lifes work.
Soon, after he falls, those who hide his true nature will be the very ones saying they knew he had to go.

SM,

Just popping Julia out of the picture for a moment - are you honestly saying that this bumbling, vacuous, sloganeering, foot-in-mouth pollie is the best Australia can put up as an alternative leader?

Sad really....

Dear Poirot,

More than sad - tragic really.
He showed his true colours and his
intellectual prowess - on the 7.30 Report.
And this is a man who one day hopes to be PM.
In his dreams? No, - it will be - our nightmare.

More than a nightmare, it would be an international embarrassment. A statesman that walks on his head.
The AU people can see right through this bloke, there is no substance.

Perhaps the Tag-Team could look beyond piddly misunderstandings about whether or not Abbott read a statement by Kloppers or a statement by BHP, and was a bit befuddled at the end of a typically long day, to honestly try to weigh up the difference between being unclear about reading something, and being unclear about setting up a $ 200,000 slush fund with workers' union dues, that somehow translates into a house for your boyfriend.

Did Julia set up a folder/file for the paperwork in relation to her boyfriend's slush fund, i.e. the house that he lived in, or not ? Did she ever live in it with him ?

Did she attend the auction at which the said house, a.k.a. Workplace Reform Association or whatever, was purchased, or not ? Did she oversee the paperwork of the land broker, the real estate agents, the banks involved, the Land Titles Office, etc., or not ?

Did she smell a rat early on, and if not why not ? Did she think to enquire into the proposed activities of the WRA, and how they meshed with the purchase of a house for her boyfriend, who was in charge of the fund ?

If she did, why didn't she seek the advice of more senior partners ?

To whom did she hand over all her paperwork in relation to the WRA ?

Question: who owns that house now ? If it was worth $ 200,000 back in 1993, what is it worth now ?

Equate Abbott's faulty memory with a $ 200,000 deal all you like. I don't think they are equivalent.

Tag ! You're it !

Loudmouth I expect better from you.
First the two slugs did not handle union funds.
They told donors but not the union it was for the union.
So the stole it!
Such slush funds exist, you can bet even now.
Usually called a health and safety fund they are in part spent on union members, in part.
The Union found out and informed the police and other authoritys, forcing the grubs to leave.
Gullible Gillard, at best, was doing what this closely linked union legal firm still does.
Free work she says was not recorded, it usually is not.
Not sure if she knew, and no fan of hers.
But my reason for expecting better from you? we differ in our politics but you do so with fairness,and the information we have, so far, seems to say no evidence exists she profited ever.
I want her gone,do not trust or believe her, but 17 years?
IF information to convict her of anything exists why has it taken this long?

Poirot,

Just popping Abbott out of the picture for a moment - are you honestly saying that this lying, vacuous, sloganeering, foot-in-mouth pollie is the best Australia can put up as a leader?

Sad really....

SM,

That's one of your best posts....but then I think I've read something similar somewhere before - so perhaps you lose marks for originality.

(I'll let you off slightly because I know you're super pissed off today because Julia has gained in the polls)

Poirot,

(I'll let you off slightly because I know you're super pissed off today because Labor has lost yet another state.)

I am always amused when I see a troll in a blog calling an eminent leader or thinker (sometimes with a Nobel prize) an idiot. Here you are doing the same to a Rhodes Scholar to whom I doubt you (or any Labor MP) could hold a candle.

As to Abbott's performance, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Just compare Abbott's tenure compared with that darling of the labour left Turnbull. When in early 2010 TA took over the leadership, Labor was on a 2pp of 54%, and they were celebrating, as they thought TA was a bumbling idiot. They made the same stupid mistake you are making now.

You label a poster a "troll" if they disagree with your take on the marvelous Tony...excellent modus operandi.

Sorry, mate, being a Rhodes Scholar doesn't automatically designate one as a politician of substance. When Tony demonstrates to me that he isn't as vacuous as he appears, I'll take more of an interest.

I admit it! I am heartened to see two posts from our resident one eye.
Troll? maybe he has a mirror! because only one troll exists here.
And in one post a description of Tony Abbott highlighting his avoidance of the truth, is used to describe Gillard!
Unlike the Gentleman poirot as a long time punter on horses.
Often the leader slows down and is caught by the one paced nag chasing it.
Funny but true, Abbott owns the increased Labor vote, it is his work.
No one ever sat in any house any state or federal Parliament who lies as much as Abbott

Touchy!,

Read my post carefully, I didn't call you anything. Perhaps you can use your dazzling acuity to determine why, if Abbott is such an idiot, did labor fall into a hole directly after he assumed the leadership.

The answer is either:

A) Everyone under estimated him, or

B) Labor is a complete bunch of idiots that inflicted the damage on themselves.

Perhaps you can comment on Craig Emerson and others who in months of appearances on Sky, have yet to deviate one iota from the labor Script, or Juliar, who in question time has managed over the years to avoid actually answering a question.

When Juliar demonstrates to me that she isn't as vacuous as she appears, I'll take more of an interest.

I have a last question how much of this muck raking exercise will we remember in three months?
Seems needless to me, yes not well founded by why the effort? the over kill?
While labors seems unaware The fact is, it is like assault on a road kill.
Gillard, without doubt, has convinced far more than enough never to vote for her, only the ALP fails to understand this.

Dear Poirot,

I totally agree with you. Rhodes Scholarships in those
days were part of a "boys club." And who got the scholarships
depended on who one knew. Even so, it's quite obvious that
Mr Abbott's intellectual prowess reached its peak with
boxing at university. Nowadays he doesn't seem to understand
the difference between promises made when circumstances
change and repeatedly ignoring facts and telling lies,
using scare tactics et cetera. As for Shadow Minister -
his support of Mr Abbott says it all.

BTW: - Bob Hawke was also a Rhodes Scholar, as was Kim
Beazley, Malcolm Turnbull, to name just a few. But these
guys do have the nous and calibre that Mr Abbott sadly
lacks.

Lexi,

What lies you tell!

"I totally agree with you. Rhodes Scholarships in those days were part of a "boys club." And who got the scholarships depended on who one knew."

Absolute bollocks!

"BTW: - Bob Hawke was also a Rhodes Scholar, as was Kim
Beazley,"

Now you want to play both sides of the argument. This is known as hypocrisy.

As far as this thread goes, we only have Juliar's word that she was unaware of the theft of money by her partner, and as we know she gave her word that there would be no carbon tax, and what was that worth?

Lexi I think just maybe I have to say sorry to you.
Our SM is, in my view taunting me via you.
Not to worry I am unaffected by that.
Look unlike another poster I have good things to say about our Doc No.
He was a good boxer/is a good sportsman.
Yes Rodes was a thief, stole a whole country, but winners of his legacy usually did well in life
Big fella Gough was even better matched in his education, but give the bloke his measure Abbott has a great education just no common sense.
How many years ago did he have that affair? the one that saw, briefly , soon corrected, a son working in the house too.
Was in in more than one relationship then.
17 years longer? funny it is none of my business.
Abbott and Gillard need to past sins to prove they are best suited as street sweepers.

Dear Belly,

Don 't worry about anyone taunting
me. Only those whose opinions I value would
be able to have a detrimental effect on me.
As for Shadow Minister - I can't take him
seriously any more. He's distinguished for
ignorance, and he's trying to save both his
faces.

Dear Belly,

I forgot to add in my last post that I feel
the PM's performance at her press conference
(confident and forthright) marks a turning
point for her and her government. Voters
may be seeing her in a different light.

Tony Abbott
just may be revealed as a PM in waiting, who's
got very little to offer and he can't maintain
his negativity through to the next election. I
also suspect that Mr Abbott's lack of policy
alternatives could come under closer scrutiny.

Scattergun tactics as I've stated previously
have to stop working eventually.

Good morning Lexi I understand your thoughts and wish I could share them.
Some I do, she is performing better, much better.
But you will not I said I fear her rise,and know/think it can never lead to a victory while she leads.
Lexi this story is one of about 500.000, it truly is, a local stopped me and said, *are you aware Belly your mob has put the cost of a crematorium service up by $2.000 dollars*
He went on to assure me an ex habitant of our village who owns one crematorium, told him so! carbon tax!
Such people vote.
Men, grown adults, I once served as union official, tell me no way they can ever vote for Gillard.
Lexi after I list Abbott's untruths, and ask what list exists for her, they can not name more than the one you know, such people vote.
Gillard CAN NEVER WIN , Abbott can not survive, how will we go against Turnbull?
If you are a gardener do you keep trying to get a faulty plant going, or plant a faster growing one and cut it down.
Can Gillard ever leave her problems behind, to think she can is to insult,sometimes rightly, the intelligence of voters.

The reason that Labor was struggling was because it had a raft of bad policies. Last week they buried their on shore processing policy, their east timor policy, their Malaysian policy, and started with the coalition's pacific solution.

Their latest backflip on the carbon tax will help too. (even if it removes any chance of a budget surplus.)

That Labor lied to the electorate is however, a stain that can't be washed out.

Dear Belly,

You have only to look at what's happening currently
in Queensland, NSW, and Victoria - to see how
disgruntled people are after having voted for the
Libs. People are now really feeling the pain. They
never learn from past experiences of Liberal governments
and they fall for their spin of false promises and
forget about all the cuts in essentials and basics
that ordinary families need. If Mr Abbott gets to be
PM - its going to be even worse because all states
depend on federal government funding for their
individual state programs. If the states are cutting
back their spending and the federal fovernment cuts
back its spending - it will hurt twice as much.

People who are worried about the carbon tax in Victoria
the state government is going to introduce a tax on
each household and business for the fire-fighting
fund of $100 for households and $200 for businesses
plus a percentage valuation of the property payable
through the individual municipal rates.

And how are pensioners, small businesses, and the
unemployed and others going to cope with that?

Julia Gillard's performance at her press conference marks
a turning point for her and her government. Her problem has
been not so much that voters are no longer listening to
her (as journalists sagely observe, ad infinitum), but
that they wanted to punish her for her perceived failings.
However, perhaps they will eventually learn that she is
worthy of redemption and their support when compared with
what will happen under an Abbott government that will
hurt everyone (except the rich) severely. Mr Abbott is
everything that most Australians are not. He should be
totally beatable at the next election.

Hi Lexi,

I think we may find that Mr Abbott's vacuous performance on the 7:30 Report marks a turning point in perceptions. That interview with Leigh Sales could have been an opportunity to decisively stamp his credentials as a future leader. That he was so obviously bereft of substance, and so smugly reticent to shift from script, exposed him as the great pretender he is.

I wish I could agree, I do with the thought Abbott,s mask has slipped.
We have the Slipper affair to come, and its impact will be telling.
Aware I went on record saying both would be gone by this or next months end.
And it looks unlikely now but go they will.
Silly as it seems in changing Labor can win the election, go back to leading the polls, Rudd can do that.
Gillard can not.
Polling still shows a landslide to Liberals.

<< ...Mr Abbott's vacuous performance on the 7.30 Report... >>

Agreed Poirot. He is really appalling.

Did you see the interview with Bob Carr about West Papua on 7.30 yesterday?

Now there's a man who comes across sincerely, with a great deal of knowledge, articulately expressed, all the time.

Surely Labor can see the enormous importance of this, and promote to their leader forthwith!!

They'd run rings around the silly Libs if they did this!

Dear Belly,

It will be interesting to see how the polls
go closer to the election. Hopefully people
will begin to realise that Mr Abbott is just
a wrecking ball's liar who does not know any
better ethical way of being. He doesn't seem to
know the difference between changing one's mind
on an issue and deliberately and repeatedly
peddling untrue statements and ideas as factual
and true. He won his party's leadership with a
miniscule majority - one vote.
The question now for the voters is which
leader can arrest the political malaise starting to grip
most voters. One of them will have to do precisely
that in order to gain the privilege of governing.

It becomes a priority therefore to show true leadership
that gives the voters clear reasons to have confidence
in themselves and their country. Either way - it should
become clear who is more suitable to lead a major party
and who should be given the chance to become Prime Minister.

Mr Abbott's recent interview on the 7.30 Report was a
real eye-opener. A performance of evasive non-answers.

Lexi the real Abbott was seen on the7.30 report.
Under tight scripted control he just lets us see less of it, for now.
Politics is maths, pure mathematics.
If he falls much more he will be replaced.
If Gillard falls, yet again she goes.
If Gillard continues to rise Abbott goes.
But can you forgive Tony Abbott? forget his negativity?
Then understand SOME never can forgive Gillard.
She can not win back enough to other than fail.
Ludwig Carr is as you say, but will the public except him?
Big voice to match his brain, well lived in face, will women like him?

Lexi this link is worth a read, every now and again the tea party press let an honest man write a piece.
This one I found while looking for something positive to say about Abbott.
It was love at first sight!
Took the axe to Gillard too and a man I think will be our country future Shorten.
Bet he is as angry as me about his roll in MURDERING THE ALP.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/bad-habits-of-a-mad-monk/story-e6frg8h6-1226135123329

Dear Belly,

Thanks for the link.

I always enjoy reading Phillip Adams.

However he's not the only one suddenly
voicing his opinion on Mr Abbott. The tone
of media coverage is starting to turn negative
on the Opposition Leader.

It would appear that the media seems to suddenly
have decided that the Opposition Leader was getting
altogether too easy a run.

The final straw came with ABC's Leigh Sales humiliation of
Mr Abbott on National Television. Embarrassing to say
the least!

Perhaps Phillip Adams is correct - the only job that
Mr Abbott is extremely qualified to do is replace Alan Jones
as a shock jock (when Jones retires) on 2GB.
He's not qualified to be our next PM. He doesn't do policies -
he does performances!

Hi Poirot,

Politics to Mr Abbott is theatre.
That's not in the long-term
interests of this country or her people.
Mr Abbott belongs in the US. We really
could do very well without him here.

Abbott certainly hast he verbal and intellectual attributes Jones has.
He may lack some others the high squeaky voice at times?
I have seen this before mountains are built out of mole hills by Medea intent on hurting Labor.
And SOME within Labor chasing power for them selves hurting every one.
Kevin 07 can fix that.

Labor is appealing to the voters by spending like a drunken sailor with a credit card. With an estimated $8bn pa for the NDIS, $5bn for the Gonski reforms and $2.5bn for the dental scheme or roughly $17bn per year (or $66bn over the 4 yr forward estimate) with no visible means of supporting it.

The drop in minerals prices will see the revenue (which labor has already spent in hand outs) dropping considerably, and the carbon tax revenue (which labor has already spent in hand outs) which was budgeted on $29/t giving a short fall of $25bn. This gives Labor a $91bn black hole from their present budget position.

Labor has given Australia some of the largest deficits of any country in the OECD this decade without a recession.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/opinion/denial-about-deficit-as-reckless-spending-rolls-on/story-e6frg9qo-1226461115620

P.S. Juliar was humiliated on Australian Agenda when she was interviewed by Paul Kelly.

Dear Belly,

Ignore Shadow Minister, unless you want to
compare "black holes." (hee hee).

Hi Lexi,

Wouldn't it be wonderful if contributors stuck to the topic instead of thinking they have achieved anything by taking silly, cheap shots at people who disagree with them ?

Are there actually any issues here on this thread ? I think so, otherwise why start one up ?

What are those issues ?

* Ms Gillard assisted union officials, in her capacity as a legal adviser, to set up an organisation, process funds from union members and businesses, and buy a house (worth $ 200,000 in 1993) with those funds, in which her then-boyfriend lived.

* She did not open an official Slater&Gordon file for any of this, but of course, she must have had literally a folder of some sort in which to keep all the bits of paperwork. She ceased acting for these, well, not clients actually, friends ? - in 1995.

* From the time she began her links to this enterprise, she did not seek advice from more senior partners in Slater & Gordon.

* When Peter Gordon discovered this enterprise, he 'interviewed' her and she resigned.

* She passed all the details over to someone else, perhaps someone in Slater & Gordon, when she resigned. After all, presumably, it did not all disappear into one of your 'black holes'.

Would any lawyer see anything at all dodgy in any of this ?

I'm not a lawyer, I wouldn't know. Does it sound squeaky-clean ?

Not to me.

Cheers,

Joe

Dear Joe (Loudmouth),

Your point of view is not unique as exhibited
by many in the media recently, that is -
until the PM's Press Conference, which answered
every single question that journalists put to her.
As for cheap shots - there's been quite a few of
them and as I've told Shadow Minister, If he stops
telling lies about Labor, we'll stop telling the
truth about the Libs.

However, I do agree that we can all try being nicer,
if some people try being smarter!

Cheers.

My dear Lexi,

I'm sorry to say, but you're proving my point.

I don't care about Abbott - if I did, I would look for a thread about him and get stuck in. But this one isn't it.

What are the issues here ? Please, no more thimble-and-pea tricks.

Love,

Joe

Just guessing, but I think the thread, maybe I its starter am wrong? about the 17 years it took to hurl this at?
Gillard, can she cook? doubt it, been trying to find her a job, soon.
Abbott lets no one talk on any issue he is not controlling.
Now just maybe, unsure, it is not wrong to highlight the 17 year old theme, as Loudmouth has, but no charges no crime yet?
Lexi, how I would like to reference another Black hole.
But Gentleman that I am I must not.
Ignore? good advice consider.

Dear Joe (Loudmouth),

This isn't a question of attitude, but of
perception. And as I've stated in the past
we've seen that people in different walks of
life may interpret the same phenomenon -
whether it is a religious doctrine, a prime
minister's policies, et cetera - in very different
ways. People tend to see things from a viewpoint
of subjectivity, an interpretation based on
personal values and experiences, as well as
political inclinations and of course inevitably,
we're all guilty of some measure of bias - the
tendency, often unconscious, to interpret things
according to one's own values.

When someone repeatedly peddles untrue statements
and ideas as factual and true on this forum - I
feel obliged to respond. As for Mr Abbott? He has
had the longest free kick in postwar Australian
politics, and it is time that the media should
scrutinise his behaviour and utterances.

As for Julia Gillard - of course she needs to give
a full account of her past. But this must apply to
all who cast stones in Parliament. I believe she's
answered all questions that journalists put to her
during her press conference. However, some people
will never be satisfied and perhaps if these people
travel back far enough, they'll find something.
The PM might have got a detention for in high school.

Good on the PM for fighting back. Veteran political
commentator Alan Ramsay was right when he said any
woman will have a very hard road in Canberra -
especially with the calibre of politicians that
dwell there currently.

Cheers.

I am rather pleased with I think is some balance in my contributions to this subject.
My side of politics has received a whack or two from me on the way.
I continue, having in mind reports the more conservative of us, base views on fear, that they too can find no wrong in the side they suport actions.
Lets look again at this subject.
Why has it taken 17 years to re emerge?
Why no convictions, at all?
Clearly my printed view here is that the two blokes at least, should be in prison.
They betrayed every one, but mostly the unionists they claimed the funds existed for.
Do we see that the union bought this matter to police.
Do we understand the fund had nothing to do with the union.
Have many,as I have dealt with union linked solicitors and seen no paper work done? its a day to day event.
Can it just be this re emergence is the result of dirty digging.
With Gillard ASSURED of defeat, why ignore the current things that urge action to swim in the filth yet again.