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I am sorry, but open two way conversation becomes an impossibility with SM.
At some time, in almost every such thread, it becomes pure Abbott style propaganda.
Not related to real events,or wanted out comes.
With no carbon tax, power costs will continue to rise.
As they have for sometime.
As governments privatized power we knew the writing was on the wall.
NSW ALP, how I despise haveing to use that proud name ALP, to describe those inhabitants of a rubbish bin, even put power prices up, to help sell/increase profits for new owners.
And we could have kept public ownership, built new better power stations,Socialized the costs [ made us pay]or face the fact we do not mater.
But SM and his like will stand firmly selling less than honest tales aimed at leaving this country behind in the race for sustainable new energy.
I will feed him no more in this thread.

Sitting outside this scrap, I can only say that FP really is out of
touch. There was someone on OLO that described what had to be done to
satisy the bureaucrats that a paint factory knew what its emissions
would be.
That was real world stuff and no amount of political bluster will cancel it out that expense even before the tax starts.

Please point out where SM has lied.

, it becomes pure Abbott style propaganda.
Belly,
and yours is always anti Abbott pro Labor propaganda. It really is the pot calling the kettle black.
Everyone's on about sustainable & alternative energy. Stevolmeyer tells us the alternatives are available. ok. are the alternatives for everyone making a living also available ?
Are there alternatives so that politicians have to pay for their own superannuation if we go to alternative energy ?
Are there alternatives to our hangers-on judiciary ? Are there alternatives to the present level of stupidity in the electorate ? Are there alternatives to change education to education rather than a dumbing down procedure ?
It will not work with just an alternative energy, it requires all the aforementioned plus a lot more to make positive improvements. One will not work without the other. Carbon tax will prove a gross waste of funding which is sorely needed in many essential services.

The big problem is that the politicians of all parties, and I include
the greens, do not understand that "Business as Usual" is not an option.
I notice that the IMF may have woken up, as it has commented that the
European countries are having growth problems because of their energy costs.
Their balance of payments and GDP have been reduced because of the cost
of oil, ie the Brent price.

Until our politicians wake up that governments will have a shortage
of money in all areas and their revenues will decrease, then if they
do wake up they can start planning for the localisation of industry.
Even our marvelous mining incomes will deplete as manufacturing world
wide reduces due to a lack of money in the system.

The increasing energy costs will reduce international trade as the
number of ships at anchor in Singapore Roads will indicate.

So, it is not the fault of a particular party, so you can stop blaming
them. What is needed is a campaign to educate politicians.