Csteele,

If you claim that the HIP was the safest in history, then you need to use the same measure that every safety organisation in the world uses primarily injuries / severity per man hour worked. To fail to do so and them claim I am trolling is a serious cop out.

Car collisions are a safety issue, the measure of traffic safety is the no of fatalities and injuries, not only from collisions but from all traffic incidents.

House fires are one of the many safety issues in insulation installation , the measure of safety in the house insulation scheme is the number of injuries and fatalities which you have chosen to ignore. Instead you offer a re worked analysis of the CSIRO raw data which is at odds with the summary of the CSIRO.

Given the fatality rate which far exceeds industry in general, the claim that the HIP was the safest in history is a blatant falsehood.

Dear Shadow Minister,

Disappointing but not unexpected. The complete switch-a-maroo.

I must say if you engaged your brain in looking at the facts rather than the shell games you use to ignore them you might be worth the effort.

Although perhaps you find the maths a little challenging and this is your defense mechanism.

Still I will hold up my end of the bargain and try and track down the stats on worker deaths that were presented to the Senate.

Csteele,

I have not changed, from my first post I have focused on deaths not just house fires, no matter how you tried to divert it.

I have a degree with a major in statistics, and while I am perfectly capable of spending hours transcribing the data, framing it in a format to suit my objectives as Crickey has obviously done, I simply prefer to refer to the conclusions that the Csiro has produced. The portion I posted clearly showed that phase 2 of the HIP initially had a rate of fires 3x that of pre HIP work.

Given that so far you have yet to provide safety statistics, your proposition that the HIP was the safest is history is unsupported.

Dear Shadow Minister,

Look I would love to believe you about the degree majoring in statistics but by you stating “The portion I posted clearly showed that phase 2 of the HIP initially had a rate of fires 3x that of pre HIP work.” I'm having a little trouble.

You are taking the figures for the phase 2 insulations less than 12 months old and comparing it to all the pre HIP figures regardless of the time since installation.

It is like saying the P platers in NSW have four times the accident rate of Victorian drivers and expecting it to mean something. It doesn't, and if you have trouble grasping even that simple notion you definitely aren't worth the effort I'm afraid.

Csteele,

I have a BComm majoring in Economics and Quantitative analysis along with a degree in Engineering and an MBA. But none of this is required to read the CSIRO report exec summary which obviously you haven't.

I still see that you haven't been able to produce any comparative safety statistics.