My take on refugees is that our problem is one on extreme generosity. So many Ozzies would love to do as well as these bludgers.

OK, increase the intake, but with a few conditions.

1/ No one without paperwork stays longer than 24 hours, & is returned as near as possible to their point of embarkation with in that period, with no exceptions.

2/ All "refugees" must be funded by a sponsor for 6 month on arrival.

3/ No taxpayer funded assistance of any type until the immigrant has 4 years of tax records of self funding. Same applies to citizenship applications.

4/ Any immigrant not self funded after 6 months is to be employed for 6 months on work gangs, in national parks or country roads. Payment to be food, keep, medical services, & 10% of the minimum wage.

5/ Any unable to gain suitable employment with in 1 month of this to be repatriated to port of origin.

This simple system would weed out the bludgers, who would not be interested. It also offers Paul, Marilyn & the rest the opportunity to put their money, rather than tax payers, [& mine], where their mouth is.

I am totally sick of bleeding hearts, of all movements, wanting to do good, but with my money. Their selflessness in such a system might encourage others to do the same. I very much doubt we would find many of them taking up this opportunity, thus Ludwig would get his wish of much lower immigration.

<<So you want Australia to repudiate our undertakings we have given in relation to asylum seekers and refugees>>
Absolutely. The Refugee Convention as it stands is an anachronism –incidentally, I don’t recall when “we” were ever asked if “we” wanted to sign it! I think was some of your backroom guys and gals who made that decision.

<< what is your view on immigration to Australia?... Increase, decrease…cut the Asians, reintroduce the White Australia Policy, blow up 'boat people' what should we do?...>>
Please read Mr Adines comments again – he has a very good handle on things.

SPQR

You are in the same class as Howard and his children overboard when it comes to misquotes. You write: "Seems these people don't know what year it is little own what day it is" And I agree with you.
But what I actually said was, re-printing what you posted "By 2010 the number of environmental refugees could grow to 50 million, the UNU-EHS predicts" Then I added "What are their predictions for the year 1990?"
What is your point in posting an old pre 2010 estimate for the year 2010 in the year 2012. Maybe you have returned to the year 1952 and your good old days of the White Australia Policy. P/s Did they actually grow to 50,000,000 in 2010 you should know by now.
You write "Many of the “refugees” we “process” now are not real refugees." Have you done a calculation on MANY is it between 1 and 200,000,000? I forgot the HOARDS (your word) are coming. By now these hoards must be the children of the hoards that you conservatives were predicting were coming back in the 1960's, they must be on a slow boat from China, not here yet.
As I questioned poor Mr Adine credentials, you respond with Mr Adine is likely to know the loopholes in Australian immigration law better than you." Unfortunately the man can not speak English and is unlikely to be well read in Australian immigration law, so how he is "likely to know" any, if there are any, of the loopholes in Australian immigration law, is beyond me.
cont

What I have asked several times and you can not answer is:
With your "real world experience", what is your view on immigration to Australia? Increase, decrease, none at all, chop out the Asians, reintroduce the White Australia Policy, blow up 'boat people' what should we do?. I did ask if you were in control what would you have done in 2010/11? No answer, can I assume then the 169K was all right by you. We are now in 2012 not 1952.
Or should I just read the Australia First Parties immigration policy to get your slant on the subject. With your use of emotive words like "hoards" it fits well with extreme right policy

Paul 1405,

<<You write: "Seems these people don't know what year it is little own what day it is" And I agree with you.
But what I actually said was…>>

What you actually said was : "Seems these people don't know what year it is little own what day it is"
I cut and pasted it . I know it’s been a long time since your post of Friday, 20 April 2012 11:42:48 AM
But go back and re-read line 4 and check for yourself!

<<What is your point in posting an old pre 2010 estimate for the year 2010 in the year 2012>>
The point was to demonstrate to you that the 200,000,000 estimate was not my invention –as you sought to imply.
But the estimate of sources the Green place great reliance on. It is somewhat amazing that you fervently support a party that has a policy that seeks to accept climate “refugees” yet you seemingly have no idea about what numbers might qualify –but I guess that’s the nature of the Green base.

<<You write "Many of the “refugees” we “process” now are not real refugees." Have you done a calculation on MANY is it between 1 and 200,000,000>>
No. I’ll leave that calculation for you – here’s a little light reading to start off with:
I’ll preface the reading by saying it refers to people who out of the goodness of our great big humanitarian heart we took in an gave shelter to:

“FEDERAL police are investigating local Muslim leaders over suspicions they are encouraging dozens of young men to return to their homeland to join Islamic jihadis against the Ethiopian-backed Somali forces. AFP agents have quizzed African community members, including families and friends in Melbourne, over the spate of young Somalis who have left Australia in the past year.”
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/somalia-jihad-drive-probed/story-e6frg6of-1111115033793

Paul 1405,

<<Unfortunately the man can not speak English and is unlikely to be well read in Australian immigration law, so how he is "likely to know" any, if there are any, of the loopholes in Australian immigration law, is beyond me.>>

Well I’ll concede that it is beyond you –but from what I've seen so far –that is no great feat.
And who needs English when you have heaps and heaps of websites like this – in your own language – screaming “COME ON DOWN!”
http://www.afghans-asylum.mihanblog.com/

<< what is your view on immigration to Australia? Increase, decrease>>
I’d be satisfied if we withdrew from the Refugee Convention and got serious about our border controls.