Well Bob no not while I can still tie my own shoes.
Bob will gather the know littles.
Thought my whole history of posting here showed my views about changes needed and faults within my party.
A curse of getting old is, you see things, learn things, that others have not yet seen.
Now I want others, remember, do not turn your back on truth, to take up my challenge.
It has been made many times, as many as threads I started to call my side to answer for its wrongs.
Tell me, how many dare,of the faults in Abbott's conservatives.
I get feedback from greens, conservatives, true Liberals in real life.
Telling Me I should censor my views.
ALP/UNION past mates, wanting to put heads in sand, leaving party's clearly at risk.
I claim past events as reason enough to continue to want reform, Whilam spoke of the *the nearer Labor approaches electoral annihilation the more we claim it is indestructible*
The great man fought the biggest battle to change the ALP let it win an election.
He took on the true faceless men.
Called them the 12 witless men, rightly so.
So those in their 30,s, within my party could do worse than remember only in office can we change, first we must change.
And EXTRAORDINARY charges I should not say as I wish, from some who have never been other than mildly interested in the ALP is laughable.

That's right, Belly ! Devilishly clever ! Don't rush into his arms, just play a bit of hard-to-get ! In case there is a Katter landslide, wall-to-wall, i.e. a Katter-wall (yuk, yuk!), you may be offered a ministry. If not something even higher. Don't write it off, bloke, it's worth thinking about.

Meanwhile, the most obvious candidate to replace Senator Arbib is Warren Mundine: he's experienced, he has integrity and courage, and he would have the backing of many Indigenous people. That sounds like just the sort of person the Labor Party needs right now.

Joe

Not sure about Warren. Send the other one in to liven it up a bit though, that'd be amusing. Our first Muslim and fisrt ALP Indigenous person too.

Goodness me, Joe.

I was talking to a friend this morning about the Labor leadership debacle and I used the Thelma and Louise analogy too - great minds think alike : )

Joe I am not taking your bait, yes I am from the right in the ALP.
You promte me to try to start a thread about factions.
BK is a Joe like figure, as is Barnaby Joyce, No real substance but many like those who shout loudest.
Labor is not doing bad,its policys are so far in front of the negativity Republican/conservatives Abbott leads you will need a telescope to see them.
Mundine yes, followed by Noel person being given a big role in Aboriginal affairs, and the next GG position after.

Thank you, Poirot,

no, mine is an ordinary mind, nothing great about it, but I'm happy to learn from the wisdom of yours :)