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Bio Fuel, is it a double edged sword?

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Dear rehctub,

The following website may be of interest:

http://www.brecorder.com/world/global-business-a-economy/35827-ethanol-culprit-of-hunger-in-disguise.html
Posted by Lexi, Sunday, 20 November 2011 2:37:54 PM
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I don't think you are going to go hungry just yet, Rehctub.

The price of wheat right now is around 200$ a tonne, then take
out freight to port, storing and handling,levies, finance charges
etc, you won't get have much more then 150$ left. I sold wheat
for that much in 1983.

Low prices are far more likely to cause food shortages, for farmers
won't grow stuff, if its not worth their while.

Energy is energy, no matter if to fuel vehicles or people. Canola
oil can drive tractors of be used in salads, take your choice.

The problem is that millions can't afford to buy food at any cost,
because they don't have any income as we know it. Their solution
is to obtain some family planning and then achieve ways of making
an income. If 200$ wheat prices don't solve it, nothing will.

Let the Vatican buy their food, for the Vatican does its utmost
to prevent them obtaining family planning and the Vatican, with
its huge land holdings etc, is not exactly poor.
Posted by Yabby, Sunday, 20 November 2011 5:26:00 PM
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its for this and many other reasons that i invented the wikiseed[wikigeld]...a unit of exchange based on a set weight of hemp seed

hem seed can be made/refined...into over 30,000 products
so my research at the time revealed..it can make fuel paper plastic
fertiliser oil fibre etc

it was inspired by my researches revealing a 7 branched type of hemp
[as depicted on the nsw police posters in the 70's[when the hippies found it growing in the hunter river..

this 7 branched hemp was described in exodus
[in the instructions of the design of the lampstand[ex 25;40]

the hunter river was once connected to the namoi river
which means in aborigonal tongue 'river of life'

the same river of life mentioned at revelation22:2
where the tre of life bare twelve MANOR of fruits
yeilding her fruit every month

and the leaves of the tree are for the healing of nations
[to wit paper money..in its traditional meaning
as a PROMISE to pay..in hemp seed
[ie eat it refine it..or grow it]

the wikinote allowed the bearor SURE payment of debt
[ie it has printed..on it
the right to grow your own pound [of hemp seed]

[the male tree belongs to mens circle
[and the femail tree remains owned in trust by the woemans circle]

the wikiseed is our combined inheritance
its assured value..allows it to repay govt debt
to buy peoples freedoms..to fed cloth the poor[man beast alike]

with it we can rebuild societies...and unwind the rainbow serphant
that allows peace to be spread through out the world

but heck...its main use after feeding all
and clothing them all

is industry/transport..debt underwriting/insurance

but heck no one cares
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 20 November 2011 5:50:14 PM
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rehctub, of course the water used in CSG is the same as used by farmers. That's what most of the fuss over it is about. Not to mention that if the aquifers are contaminated, its not just a fight over scarce resources, but whole areas ruined for undetermined periods of time.

At the end of the day, farmers will first grow what their land is capable of, then what makes them the most money. If they have to deal with consumers fussy over appearance, they will do it if they make more out of it. There are not big enough margins in farming to be too precious about it.
Posted by Country Gal, Sunday, 20 November 2011 6:13:16 PM
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Country girl, your view on CSG seems to be like that of many who protest that don't actually know the facts.

The water from the aquifers that the farmers use comes from the water table, whereas the water produced from extracting CSG is from much further below the ground. It is generally very salty and apart from a very minute number of wells, is unusable even for watering stock.

I hope this clears it up for you.

Yabby, you and I both know farming is a mugs game and has a very limited lifespan, unless of cause our governments find a way of subbserdizing farming for food production.

Let's face it, if one grows food, sure, the potential rewards are higher, however, if you have a bumper crop, chances are you're not the only one and prices plummet.

This is why I fear many farmers will opt for the low risk, low return option of bio fuel.

No wages, not rip off agents etc.

Farming, like many businesses today are fighting decreasing margins, which means you either become a huge business, or you don't bother.

Either way, this won't fix our looming food shortage.
Posted by rehctub, Sunday, 20 November 2011 7:47:54 PM
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Rehctub, there is no looming food shortage, for alot more could
be produced, if it was worthwhile doing so.

I've always maintained that farming is a great lifestyle, as long
as you don't depend on it for a living :) Thats why I got myself
into a position of subsidising myself with off farm investments,
so the farming is essentially a hobby and a passion.

But the traders in grain, Govt buying institutions etc, are very
good at pushing prices down at the slightest sign of a surplus.

So we need a shortage of food to bring prices to reasonable levels,
or there won't be any investment in food production.

As it stands right now, Australian farmers owe something like
59 billion $ and banks are getting nervous, they want some of their
money back. Perhaps Super funds will start buying up farmland, for
long term its bound to be a good investment. Not so in the short
term.
Posted by Yabby, Sunday, 20 November 2011 8:47:39 PM
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