Individual,
I agree,this subject has been discussed here on OLO for years and it is the same thing. The bleeding hearts want more boats to come or even for us to supply the transport, while anyone that asseses the situation honestly knows that to stop the boats all that has to be done is not give the illegals what they want.

Processed as far away as possible, from the advocates, and no permanent residence and no family reunion and the boats will stop coming.

take no notice of those saying these are poor, desperate souls. That is rubbish, they are con merchants who get here by deceit and bribery, then deliberately lie to our officials. They are gate crashers pure and simple. We can detain them because they are illegal entrants.

Stopping the boats is easy, it just takes abit of guts.

“Genuine refugees can't afford to pay people smugglers so that's one way of determining their status.”

Individual,

Having access to money does not always protect you or your family from being persecuted. I don’t know how old you are but if you were around during the Cambodian Pol Pot regime, you should remember that a lot of people with money were just tortured and killed – including their families.

I know of an Iranian family who sold everything they owned to get out of the repressive and brutal regime they were subjected to – and still didn’t get every family member a seat on a boat - although they were considered quite well-off.

It may seem so simple to you indy, but being ‘cashed-up’ doesn’t guarantee you that refuge, and sometimes real sacrifices are made.

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Banjo

Being an asylum seeker is not illegal.

However, I agree ... stop the boats (it's dangerous) and stop the illegal trade in people smuggling.

Brown's policy would see more boats to Christmas Island, then the asylum seekers would be processed on mainland Australia.

Abbott's policy would see more boats to Christmas Island, the asylum seekers would then be transported to Nauru for processing, and then a good proportion repatriated here.

Gillard's policy would curb the boats and send the asylum seekers back to Malaysia for processing. Refugees already processed will repatriated here.

We take little by comparative international standards.

Banjo,
You're of course correct that this is not a one size fits all situation. But to go back to the situation of stopping the boats we have to make up our mind via referendum. I suggest those in favour of boat arrivals being let into Australia pay a boat people support tax. Those against it can go on as they do now.
Any country must have the right to say who comes & goes or stays. That can certainly be a one size fits all scenario.
If people can hold a country at ransom via the UN then a country has the right to say to the UN you spend your money in our country to help the refugees instead of blowing billions on yourselves.
If we don't put a stop to this refugee business then I'm afraid we'll all become refugees sooner rather than later.

@ Individual,

<<SPQR,
NO & no again. What we need is moron & idiot control>>

Apologies, my previous comment was aimed purely at Is Mise (& his favorite cause), & is to be read in the context of Is Mise's preceding (baseless & ridiculous) quip "that's only the ones that weren't shot."

@ Bonmot
<< We take little by comparative international standards>>

Depends what you mean by "TAKE"!
Most countries that "TAKE" "asylum seekers" have no intention of giving them permanent residency.
Their intention is to grant *temporary sanctuary* then send them back home.
http://www.unhcr.org/4c657ec69.html

However, when OZ TAKES "asylum seekers" they're invariably here for good (or bad!).
And, they're invariably joined by their uncles, aunts & fifth cousins!

Compare apples with apples please --not apples with lemons!

Referenda are usually rigged by clever'What do you prefer?' questions, which are carefully and cunningly crafted to benefit the arugment of the powers that be. Cast your mind back to the referendum regarding this Nation divorcing itself from the Commonwealth, either answer would have benefit to the proponent.
NSB

bonnot,
Go do your homework.

Entry into Aus is unlawfull (read illegal) without a valid visa. This makes the boat people illegals. The only reason we can detain them (lock them up) is because they are illegal entrants. We cannot detain legal entrants. We have undertaken not to prosecute illegal entrants if they claim asylum.

That is quite simple.

Oh, the refugee convention states that asylum seekers must obey a countries laws.